Amber Heard - new accusations

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Amber Heard has now alleged Johnny Depp sexually assaulted her at the start of the defamation trial. Thoughts?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-court-updates-b2056201.html

Yes, it is being streamed online live every day on Youtube by Law&Crime Network. Nick Wallis is also posting a daily podcast which can be found on audioboom.com/channels/5075692. He is also posting longer versions on his Youtube channe.

where for years his version is that Heard pre-manufactured evidence of his abuse, including messages from those who worked with him, corroborating his abuse of her

We are getting into the social media version of this case which includes lots of evidence that has never been presented in court and which may not exist at all.

There were no messages from those who worked with Depp corroborating his abuse of Heard presented in the case heard in the UK. If such messages exist, they were not introduced into evidence. The evidence supporting Heard came entirely from her friends (none of whom claimed to have witnessed abuse - they were only reporting what Heard had said) and her sister. The evidence supporting Depp came from his friends, one of Heard's friends, one of her ex-employees, concierges at an apartment block where Depp owned or rented some apartments, police officers (one of whom specialises in domestic violence) and medical practitioners.

This does not, of course, mean that Depp did not beat Heard. But the evidence against him does not appear to be anything like as strong as some on this thread believe. In the UK, the case turned entirely on Heard's credibility. If the judge had not accepted her evidence, there would have been no other evidence to support a finding that Depp was a wife beater.

For anyone who is interested and has Discovery+ there is an interesting documentary about the U.K. libel case. It is in two parts with the first being from the perspective of JD and his legal team and the second part focusing on AH and her legal team. I have just watched it and can recommend it for anyone who is interested in the case and the relationship dynamic.

Readers of this thread may have seen that Eve Barlow has been excluded from the courtroom and may be wondering what that was about.

Last week, Gina Deuters was ejected as a witness and the jury were told to disregard her evidence. This happened after Deuters admitted watching clips from the trial on social media. The court doesn't want witnesses watching the trial before giving evidence. As an aside, this is another difference from the trial in the UK, where Heard's sister watched the trial before giving evidence and then appeared to tailor her evidence to match Heard's. In essence, the evidence Heard gave on the witness stand about the incident her sister allegedly witnessed appeared to be at odds with her sister's witness statement, but the evidence the sister gave on the witness stand matched Heard's.

How does this involve Eve Barlow? She was sitting immediately behind Heard's legal team and passed her mobile phone to them, showing an Instagram post about the trial by Gina Deuters. This led to Deuters being questioned as to whether she had watched clips of the trial. However, it turns out that the post that was represented to the court as having been made during the trial was actually posted last year. This, of course, doesn't alter the fact that Deuters should not have watched clips on social media, but it does mean that the court was misled.

Depp's legal team complained about this and, more significantly in terms of the decision, showed evidence that Barlow had been live tweeting from the courtroom. That is not allowed. As a result, Barlow has been barred from attending the rest of the trial.

Heard's legal team did not exactly cover themselves in glory over this incident. Not only do they appear to have misrepresented Deuters' Instagram post to the court, during the special hearing to hear the complaint about Barlow they said that Barlow is not Heard's friend (she is - most sources describe her as a close friend, some describe her as Heard's girlfriend), she is not a journalist (she is a music journalist) and that she was not in court on the day of the opening statements (she was and was sitting on the front row)

Hadn't quite finished that post when the new Mumsnet software started playing up...

Not only was Barlow in court on the day of the opening statements, she was sat on the front row and on that day, and throughout the trial, was passing notes to Heard's legal team.

Of course, this case is not decided by the judge. That is up to the jury. But I doubt the judge will be happy with Heard's legal team misleading her and making demonstrably false statements to the court. That could make life more difficult for Heard.

Thanks for that post @prh47bridge, it fills in the whys and wherefores.👍🏻

@prh47bridge thank you for those posts. Good to hear about actual facts and evidence rather than people just banging on about how terrible Depp is whilst giving Heard a free ride. She's very clever and very calculated. To be able to silence independent witnesses and have people think you're a helpless victim is some masterstroke.

Yes, if you read the sky news report her lawyer is completely tearing apart his story. Interesting.

I believe Johnny as she has been abusive in other relationships and her assistant has also spoken out on how nasty she is. All Johnny's exes say he was never in any way violent ever. She was also drinking 2 bottles of wine most nights and doing drugs. I watched some of it on the tv and I just believe him. She has always come across as a nasty person and she also had an affair while she was with Johnny with Elon Musk. He is only trying to clear his name. She was also extremely jealous of Johnny's children and of his tattoes.

The tapes they played in court of her admitting having physically abused him rather speak for themselves.

I genuinely think he’s used some of his money on Russian bots or something - I don’t know how any rational person can read what he’s said about her and still want ‘Johnny to stay strong, hun’.

Seems pretty clear that it was a toxic relationship where both parties mistreated one another.

I'm a grown up so don't feel the need to cheer one and boo the other.

He wrote with his bloodied finger messages to her around their apartment…because of his own insecurities 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I’m supporting a domestic abuse survivor.

Johnny Depp was a domestic abuse survivor. Is a severed finger just a nick?

The one that he admitted he’d done himself, in messages to at least 3 people and recorded on tape saying that he’d done it himself. The one he wrote on a mirror with ‘easy amber’?

So you're cool with the tapes they played in court where she admits hitting him?

People like you are absolutely cool with domestic abuse as long as it's happening to someone you dislike.

Stop trying to justify violence, Agnes.

His string of texts finally swayed me for sure. The man is grotesque and I think he did abuse her.

Vile situation all round.

I used to love Johnny Depp actually, massively disappointing.

Do you now believe he cut his own finger and wrote abusive messages to her in his own blood then? And threatened to burn her and fuck her to make sure she’s dead in a text message?

I believe he was abusive to her and she was abusive to him.

Whereas you seem to be cool with her violence towards him. The violence she admitted in the tapes. Stop acting like a 12 year old who's blindly devoted to their favourite celeb.

So weird how you’re framing it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen her in a film.

I know what domestic abuse looks like and I know that he is an abuser. You should probably read up on what a victim is.

She is on tape admitting having physically abused him. You point blank refuse to engage with that fly in the ointment.

“Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence, and see how many people believe or side with you”

Coming from a good place @UhtredsLatestPaganHussy please read this - ncadv.org/dynamics-of-abuse

it’ll explain better than I can.

Depp's evidence is that he first called Malcolm Connolly, a member of his security team, and, when he arrived, told him that Heard had cut his finger off by smashing his hand with a vodka bottle. On the way to the hospital, Connolly says Depp discussed possible explanations with him as he (Depp) wanted to protect Heard. He therefore told most others that he had injured himself, only telling a few trusted individuals that Heard had injured him. There was no reference in the UK case to a tape recording in which he says he did it himself.

The judge in the UK rejected this and decided that Depp had injured himself, notwithstanding the fact that Heard said Depp caused this injury by smashing a plastic telephone and the evidence was that there was no broken telephone. There is no clear evidence as to who caused the injury.

By the way, the graffiti on the mirror said, "Call Carly Simon, she said it better babe". Depp denied writing this. He admitted another piece of graffiti that said, "Starring Billy Bob Easy Amber". He also admitted writing "Good luck and be careful at the top" on a lampshade.