Amber Heard - new accusations

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Amber Heard has now alleged Johnny Depp sexually assaulted her at the start of the defamation trial. Thoughts?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-court-updates-b2056201.html

Both of them were abusive, they had an incredibly toxic marriage and should just be relieved it’s over. They need to move the fuck on and stop embarrassing themselves.

@weleasewoderick23

I see nobody has mentioned that she was (allegedly) having an affair with Elon Musk at the beginning of her marriage to Depp and has had a baby since that may be fathered by Musk.

I agree with pp, they should both fuck off. Privileged twats.

Well, a surrogate has given birth to a baby which Heard is bringing up as her child, at any rate.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I don't see anyone defending Johnny Depp. I don't like him. I just don't think that Amber Heard is a poor abused woman. I think it was abusive on BOTH sides.

Well yes, indirectly you are. He is accused of abusing her. You say you don't think she's abused. You don't have to literally say 'I defend the name of Johnny Depp!'

Correction: you don't think she's a 'poor abused woman'.

There's no doubt he abused her, yes she probably provoked him and escalated arguments but that still doesn't make him any less of an abuser. He still chose to do and say those awful things. I never want to see him in a film again. And his aftershave smells like Old Spice.

Haven't Grimes and Elon Musk also just had a baby by surrogate?

What complicated lives the super wealthy lead!

@Jinglebin1

She is by NO means innocent, but he gets the worse words and press because she's a woman and people deep down don't like to believe women can abuse.

I think the opposite tbh. What came out in court proved his behaviour had been abusive and vile, but Amber Heard was judged to be an unpleasant bitch in the court of public opinion, so his behaviour was minimised or overlooked by many because she hadn't been a "proper" victim.

I find it utterly bizarre how people can disregard the evidence that point to JD being abusive just because they fancy him, or used to.

I think their relationship was toxic. He abused her but I thought she was also abusive? wasn't there a recording too

I don’t dispute that she was also abusive.

I used to think they were both as bad as each other. Then I read the judgment and she comes out as a victim and he is a nasty abuser. Definitely worth reading the judgment here : www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2911.html

For what it’s worth I have no dog in this race, I just trust the judge’s judgment. Depp also applied for permission to appeal and was refused. Judgment here:
www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Depp-approved-for-hand-down.pdf

The trial was less interesting yesterday. Lots of looking at cctv images which was quite boring. I would be interested to watch when Heard, Depp, Bettany and allegedly Musk take the stand.

I don’t like Depp or Heard and I think they were both abusive in different ways (from what has been reported). I am however finding the trial quite interesting.

As a man who has been on the receiving end of a vile, abusive woman who also painted herself as the victim publicly, I find it really disappointing that so many on here can't see through their gender bias and accept that Amber Heard is an abuser.

Has Johnny Depp been abusive? Yes. Has Amber Heard been abusive? Also yes. Some of the things she's done to him are downright disgusting. Two wrongs don't make a right, but read about reactive abuse please. Sometimes people snap, sometimes you get two people who are both arseholes. We'll likely never know for sure which scenario this is, but it isn't difficult to admit that both parties have done some awful things.

This is all ‘apparently’ and ‘allegedly’.

Why doesn’t everyone stop speculating and let them get on with whatever they wish to do in terms of lawsuits. I very much doubt that anyone on Mumsnet actually personally knows either of these 2 individuals, nor have been first hand witnesses to the events being investigated.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but read about reactive abuse please. Sometimes people snap"

The question at hand in this case that Johnny depp dragged into court is; was amber heard intentionally lying when she said he abused her.

Reactive abuse? No. That's a new flavour of "she made me do it".

He headbutted her. Admitted it. He smashed up rooms she was was in. He wrote appalling sexualised things about her to his friends in texts. He used the blood from his own severed finger to write jealous graffiti on the wall of a rented house. How are you coming to the conclusion he is a helpless victim

This whole case is an own goal, he is making himself look worse and worse by shining daylight on his behaviour

@Notacottish that's a wild read!

SausagePourHomme

She has also admitted to being abusive, and in circumstances where she didn't 'just snap'.

Those supporting her as just as bad as those supporting him. IMO

@SausagePourHomme

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but read about reactive abuse please. Sometimes people snap"

The question at hand in this case that Johnny depp dragged into court is; was amber heard intentionally lying when she said he abused her.

Reactive abuse? No. That's a new flavour of "she made me do it".

He headbutted her. Admitted it. He smashed up rooms she was was in. He wrote appalling sexualised things about her to his friends in texts. He used the blood from his own severed finger to write jealous graffiti on the wall of a rented house. How are you coming to the conclusion he is a helpless victim

This whole case is an own goal, he is making himself look worse and worse by shining daylight on his behaviour

Reactive abuse? No. That's a new flavour of "she made me do it"

No it isn't, it's just speculation, like a lot of the other stuff that has been written here. What I'm saying is there's previous information about her abusing partners, there isn't anything about him. Why would he start now, when in a relationship with a known abuser? Maybe the man was pushed and pushed until he snapped. Maybe he always had it in him and the two of them just bring out the worst in each other. The fact is, we'll never know. So labeling somebody a certain way as fact is morally and factually wrong. None of what I've referred to excuses his violent actions, just so we're clear. It's never right, regardless of the whys.

Ask some questions and do some critical thinking ffs.

I don't see anybody defending her? Most people can see she was abusive as well. Maybe it was "reactive abuse" on her part {hmmm}

I keep seeing people mention she was abusive to previous partners but I have only seen her ex-wife deny that was the case. There were rumours of JD abusing Kate Moss, I heard a story about him kicking her down the stairs. None of the exes that were supposed to testify that he was not abusive took the stand in the end during the last court case. So who knows. In any case, what happened in a past relationship does not necessarily have any bearing on any others.

The court case (s) are about whether JD was abusive, not whether AH was. Because it's him that keeps dragging it through the courts. He has been found guilty by the London High Court so I don't see how anyone can still believe he is a victim of AH's "conniving" behaviour.

Can I also point out that she was 25 when they married and he was pushing 50. That's a power imbalance already before adding in his vast wealth, fame and legion of minions running around after him.

I'd like to see testimony from some witnesses that are not on his payroll. Yesterdays guy lived rent free in an expensive NYC penthouse and was paid by JD to spend months painting pictures. Some people might consider the guy a freeloader and would think he is not likley to say anything that may alienate JD and stop any further "perks/handouts".

AH was proven time and time again to be a blatant liar. JD was/is? an angry, verbally abusive drunken, drugged up mess after his mother died.
They are both to blame for their toxic relationship.

AH reputation has always been bad. She has a history of lying, cheating and treating people she worked with badly. JD reputation deteriorated when he started his relationship with her/his mother getting ill/dying. Many of JD's friends and family tried to protect him from her.

The police reports all seem to support JD or are against AH. What was the thing about shitting on his bed? That was most likely her although her friends were blamed.

Cleopatra2022
I don't see anybody defending her?

Then goes on to defend her. Irony?

I'm not defending her. I believe she was abusive and is probably as messed up as he is.

However, it is clear he IS abusive (and stories/rumours about this have been out there long before she came along if you believe blind gossip articles) and I dispel the notion that it is her fault. That she plotted and "connived" and made it all up to tarnish poor sweet innocent JD's reputation. That an almost 50 year old man needed "protecting" from her is ludicrous in my mind.

And again I reiterate the court cases are about whether he was abusive not whether she was. She clearly was but she is not the one dragging it to court every 5 minutes. "Justice for Johnny" is trending on Twitter and people are saying vile things about her, while proclaiming he could not possible have done anything bad (even the stuff he has admitted to!). The truth is they both abuse(d) drugs,and each other and their relationship was a mess.

I can’t enjoy JD movies now after seeing those texts. I was never a particular fan of Paul Bettany so I’m not missing out there. I was a bit surprised that Paul Bettany’s response was that he felt ‘embarrassed’ because it was so unpleasant to have people going through his private communications and reading them in court. I mean I’d certainly be embarrassed but more because of the type of person I was. I would think being involved in a conversation like that would ruin an actor but it doesn’t really seem to have affected him. Regardless of the relationship with Amber specifically any man who can have a conversation like that about any woman hates women inherently.

Why do so many rush to defend certain people

Johnny Depp has a history of violent outbursts

David Bowie is another person many make excuses for

She what maybe Amber isn’t particularly nice but when does that justify his abuse behaviour

He is an old egotistical addict the type of man you avoid at a party

I have no sympathy for him

As a mother of a boy, I found it very worrying how easy is for a woman to claim abuse without any proof (not a single [professional has backup AH claims). AH has all the privilege cards in her hand, that is why people side with her without any knowledge of the case. I don't believe her and I absolutely hate women who use VD to get what they want, damaging in the process real DV victims and innocent men.

@monkeysmum21

As a mother of a boy, I found it very worrying how easy is for a woman to claim abuse without any proof (not a single [professional has backup AH claims). AH has all the privilege cards in her hand, that is why people side with her without any knowledge of the case. I don't believe her and I absolutely hate women who use VD to get what they want, damaging in the process real DV victims and innocent men.

As a mother of two girls and two boys I worry about how easy it is to get away with domestic violence all over the world. Even to the point that a man twice your age can text his friends that he wants to fuck your burned corpse and people will still cry on social media that he got dropped from a film.

If you’re worried about your son being falsely accused (a tiny tiny minority of accusations) I would recommend teaching him about healthy relationships as early as possible and help him identify red flags of a toxic person so that he’s as prepared as he can be.