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Ukraine Invasion: Part 20

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HappyWinter · 11/04/2022 21:30

Thanks to everyone for taking part in the thread.

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DuncinToffee · 13/04/2022 20:38

Euan MacDonald

Delicious irony if true: "Arestovich confirms that a Russian cruiser is on fire. It's the very one that (Ukrainian defenders) on Snake Island told to "f*ck off."
twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1514326376718995461?t=-IROnmMj7eoDG5cbA7t19g&s=19

Igotjelly · 13/04/2022 20:40

I wonder if the fresh threats against Kyiv ‘command centres’ is partly to stop the flurry of diplomatic activity.

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2022 20:42

Euromaidan Press @EuromaidanPress
Russia's war against Ukraine displays clear signs of genocide🇪🇪Estonian PM Kaja Kallas said.

🇨🇦Trudeau also said "it’s absolutely right using the word genocide," noting that there is also legal procedure to prove it.

🇺🇸Biden made a similar claim yday

So what thats UK, Latvia, Canada, Estonia, US, Poland, Slovakia?

Anyone I've missed?

Alexandra2001 · 13/04/2022 20:43

@YorkshireLondonMiss

Can I ask (sorry if this has been addressed previously and I’ve missed it) are we just ignoring now that the supply of migs by anyone (don’t know if helicopters are included) would be seen as their direct involvement in the conflict by Russia?
We have given 1000s of anti aircraft and anti tank missile systems to Ukraine, probably millions of rounds of ammunition, machine guns, rifles etc All used to kill Russians and destroy their army & embarrass Putin, so i think Putin's "don't interfere/direct involvement" line has been crossed a long time ago.
blueshoes · 13/04/2022 20:44

Putin will indeed have had a Downfall Moment over Johnson going for a walk in Kyiv. Great PR stunt that Putin will have HATED.

Yeah, I bet Putin really wanted that wooden COCK.

Ijsbear · 13/04/2022 20:46

Belorus!

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2022 20:48

[quote DuncinToffee]Euan MacDonald

Delicious irony if true: "Arestovich confirms that a Russian cruiser is on fire. It's the very one that (Ukrainian defenders) on Snake Island told to "f*ck off."
twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1514326376718995461?t=-IROnmMj7eoDG5cbA7t19g&s=19[/quote]
"unmanned coastal defence vessels"?

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2022 20:51

@blueshoes

Putin will indeed have had a Downfall Moment over Johnson going for a walk in Kyiv. Great PR stunt that Putin will have HATED.

Yeah, I bet Putin really wanted that wooden COCK.

Are you saying that Putin has envy of Johnson and Zelensky's cocks?
MagicFox · 13/04/2022 20:52

Weirdly this is the one story on the Reuters site I can't click on but this is a development I haven't seen mentioned and not a great sign? China oil and gas producer withdrawing from uk, Canada and US for fear of sanctioning

Ukraine Invasion: Part 20
YorkshireLondonMiss · 13/04/2022 20:55

@MagicFox it looks like it’s partly to do with sanction risk but also because they’ve done a portfolio review and essentially realised they can make more money elsewhere now that western countries are trying to become more energy self sufficient.

Ijsbear · 13/04/2022 20:57

@RedToothBrush

Did you have to mention Johnson's ... johnson? there are some concepts that should not be considered, woman!

HappyWinter · 13/04/2022 20:58

Exclusive: China's oil champion prepares Western retreat over sanctions fear

-CNOOC preparing to exit Britain, Canada, U.S. -sources
-Beijing concerned over growing tension with West
-Production in three countries reached 220,000 boed last year
-Decision follows CNOOC's delisting on New York Stock Exchange

LONDON/SINGAPORE, April 13 (Reuters) - China's top offshore oil and gas producer CNOOC Ltd. (0883.HK) is preparing to exit its operations in Britain, Canada and the United States, because of concerns in Beijing the assets could become subject to Western sanctions, industry sources said.

Ties between China and the West have long been strained by trade and human rights issues and the tension has grown following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which China has refused to condemn.

The United States said last week China could face consequences if it helped Russia to evade Western sanctions that have included financial measures that restrict Russia's access to foreign currency and make it complicated to process international payments. read more

CNOOC did not immediately comment.

Companies periodically carry out reviews of their portfolios, but the exit being prepared would take place less than a decade after state-owned CNOOC entered the three countries via a $15 billion acquisition of Canada's Nexen, a deal that transformed the Chinese champion into a leading global producer.

The assets, which include stakes in major fields in the North Sea, the Gulf of Mexico and large Canadian oil sand projects, produce around 220,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day (boed), Reuters calculations found.

Last month, Reuters reported CNOOC had hired Bank of America to prepare for the sale of its North Sea assets, which include a stake in one of the basin's largest fields. read more

CNOOC has launched a global portfolio review ahead of its planned public listing in the Shanghai stock exchange later this month that is aimed primarily at tapping alternative funding following the delisting of its U.S. shares last October, the sources said. read more

The delisting was part of a move by former U.S. President Donald Trump's administration in 2020 that targeted several Chinese companies Washington said were owned or controlled by the Chinese military. China condemned the move.

CNOOC is also taking advantage of a rally in oil and gas prices, driven by Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, and hopes to attract buyers as Western countries seek to develop domestic production to substitute Russian energy.

As it seeks to leave the West, CNOOC is looking to acquire new assets in Latin America and Africa, and also wants to prioritise the development of large, new prospects in Brazil, Guyana and Uganda, the sources said.

'A PAIN'

CNOOC is seeking to sell "marginal and hard to manage" assets in Britain, Canada and the United States, a senior industry source told Reuters.

All the sources spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The industry source said last month that CNOOC's top management, including chairman Wang Dongjin, found managing the former Nexen assets was "uncomfortable" because of red tape and high operating costs compared with developing nations.

CNOOC has faced hurdles operating in the United States in particular, such as security clearances required by Washington for its Chinese executives to enter the country, the source added.

"Assets like Gulf of Mexico deepwater are technologically challenging and CNOOC really needed to work with partners to learn, but company executives were not even allowed to visit the U.S. offices. It had been a pain all along these years and the Trump administration's blacklisting of CNOOC made it worse," said the source.

In its prospectus ahead of the initial public offering, CNOOC said it could face additional sanctions.

"We cannot predict if the company or its affiliates and partners will be affected by U.S. sanctions in future, if policies change," CNOOC said.

In the United States, CNOOC owns assets in the onshore Eagle Ford and Rockies shale basins as well as stakes in two large offshore fields in the Gulf of Mexico, Appomattox and Stampede.

Its main Canadian assets oil sands projects are Long Lake and Hangingstone in Alberta Province.

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YorkshireLondonMiss · 13/04/2022 20:58

[quote YorkshireLondonMiss]@MagicFox it looks like it’s partly to do with sanction risk but also because they’ve done a portfolio review and essentially realised they can make more money elsewhere now that western countries are trying to become more energy self sufficient.[/quote]
Sorry and because Trump admin delisted their US shares last year which means what they own in Canada etc is now difficult to manage.

MagicFox · 13/04/2022 21:01

Thanks for the clarification @YorkshireLondonMiss and for posting it @HappyWinter - don't know why I can't access it on the site

ShinyHat22 · 13/04/2022 21:03

@YorkshireLondonMiss your thoughts about this spreading beyond Ukraine are not cowardly or selfish. They are sensible and reasonable. I feel the same, as it wouldn’t help anyone. It doesn’t stop me being horrified and furious about what is going on.

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2022 21:08

[quote Ijsbear]@RedToothBrush

Did you have to mention Johnson's ... johnson? there are some concepts that should not be considered, woman![/quote]
Do not say things like this! The last time someone posted something like this, it was too much of a temptation...

...photos of a topless Johnson were duely found for shits and giggles.

(However the one of him fully dressed and jogging were the more disturbing ones).

I suspect there may be some posters who may not object to similar Zelensky pics though.

ShinyHat22 · 13/04/2022 21:11

I think Zelensky pics of that nature would be very well received 🙂

MagicFox · 13/04/2022 21:12

[quote ShinyHat22]@YorkshireLondonMiss your thoughts about this spreading beyond Ukraine are not cowardly or selfish. They are sensible and reasonable. I feel the same, as it wouldn’t help anyone. It doesn’t stop me being horrified and furious about what is going on.[/quote]

I agree with this. I am very anxious that this will spread beyond Ukraine at the same time as caring about what's happening in Ukraine. These aren't mutually exclusive

YorkshireLondonMiss · 13/04/2022 21:13

@ShinyHat22 thank you! I’m really struggling with balancing my thoughts on it to be honest. I of course am horrified by what is happening but also desperate for things not to escalate to wider conflict or worse. But I suppose it’s human nature to want to preserve your own life. And you’re right it wouldn’t do any good if it escalated outside of Ukraine, it would mean thousands of European lives needlessly lost too. Not that any life is worth more than another but you know what I mean.

ShinyHat22 · 13/04/2022 21:14

@MagicFox it’s so refreshing to read that, as there seems to have been a bit of a binary view at times.

RedToothBrush · 13/04/2022 21:14

Politics UK @POLITlCSUK
NEW: Tony Blair says we should begin a bombing campaign against Russia in Ukraine

Not had enough attention in the last couple of weeks, huh Tony?

ShinyHat22 · 13/04/2022 21:16

@YorkshireLondonMiss I am there with you. It sounds awful, but those making the decisions seem to able to make them based on rationality rather than emotion and that is a tough but necessary call.

TiddyTidTwo · 13/04/2022 21:16

twitter.com/grimcultzero/status/1514330866629160962?s=21&t=6ohcOtY8dWXoJvUxS-gOsw

Not sure if this has been posted yet

YorkshireLondonMiss · 13/04/2022 21:17

@RedToothBrush oh my god pipe down Tony. Everyone wants to put in their two cents it seems just to stay relevant! This is part of my reason I find it hard to trust either side, everyone has their own agenda and from the media on our current government they’re all a bit of a slippery bunch aren’t they.

blueshoes · 13/04/2022 21:18

I think Zelensky pics of that nature would be very well received

Here you go

Ukraine Invasion: Part 20
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