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DH with Inattentive ADHD - Advice Please

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Berlioze · 11/04/2022 16:21

Hi

I've NCd for this as it might be outing. I've been on here for a long time and read quite a few threads already, however I would like to ask for your opinions in respect of my personal circumstances.

I am mid-30s, DH is 40. For many years I've been wondering whether he has issues with his attention, comprehension, memory and communication. There have been countless miscommunications or failures to communicate on his part affecting me and third parties too (wider family, plumbers, builders, you name it).

He seems unable to prioritise tasks, can't see how to reach a goal (for example, he couldn't unpack the garage after we moved, he was so completely chaotic that he left it a bigger mess than it was to begin with - unable to think of the easiest, most sensible and efficient method IYSWIM).

He is not a completer-finisher, leaves tasks unfinished or cuts corners, so they are part finished and in the meantime he's created another job or two for someone else me to pick up, which he also fails to notice.

He generally doesn't pay attention to the world around him and doesn't join the dots. To me this is like lack of common sense or daydreaming. For example, wouldn't notice the dog's fur on the floor and think, oh I better mop/hoover tonight as our DC (who is crawling now) might pick it up otherwise.

He generally can't see things that are obvious to me, particularly chores. Can't organise himself at all. Doesn't seem to think they're his job and he needs to do them several times a week.

He is terrible with numbers and money management. I have to do it all because he just can't grasp it. I have no idea how he passed his GCSE, it's really basic stuff. He can't budget at all and was in debt previously.

He's a 100% people pleaser, would tell white lies/half truths only to keep the peace for himself and many a time this has eventually caused major rifts within the family in particular. He doesn't deal with conflict at all.

He can't plan or organise anything ahead, not even few days in advance, not to mention months or say, a holiday.

I left him to manage a number of things before and it ended up with a disaster and enormous stress, missed deadlines, financial hardship because he failed to fix bills/switch providers even after being asked and reminded.

He has lots of more or less fleeting interests that are frankly pretty impractical, he can quote lines from movies he watched only once but somehow has no space in the brain to check if our DC is strapped into the car seat properly. Many times DC wasn't and he just drove off.

He runs away from problems, doesn't see them, doesn't discuss them, doesn't solve them. He's terribly passive.

He wouldn't apply for a promotion or a new job unless with a lot of encouragement, or frankly, a big push many times over.

I could go on and on.

I am a capable person, a strong organiser and planner. I'm very good with numbers and generally have a lot of energy.

I've been with him for 10 years and obviously noticed these things, however I don't think I've realised the severity until around 5-ish years ago. I talked to him many times. Initially thought he was selfish, lazy, inattentive. I thought he'd work on himself. He tried, but ultimately reversed to his default is time.

Our DC arrived last year and this was a huge eye opener. Even though DH is undiagnosed, I am now certain he has inattentive ADHD. He has been like a deer in the headlights for nearly a year now, failed to prioritise DC or myself, even after my C section. I have always been expected to do everything like I used to despite now having a child to look after and my own recovery. He didn't offer to take anything off my plate, I've become totally invisible. When I finally had enough and told him to step up, he couldn't juggle working and running a house at all. Everything was messy and chaotic and he had no idea what to do. He didn't even think of making any plans for when my salary drops to SMP, I saved up for it. Not one question asked. He bought DC maybe 5-10 items in total, everything else was organised by me. He never even asked or initiated a discussion. He is still behaving like I'm never on his list of priorities and even our DC isn't quite there. He loves DC, but is a Disney dad, for lots of laughs and fun stuff but not to contact the nursery, not to arrange any health appointments, not to think about childcare arrangements when I'm back in work etc. No practicalities of looking after a child at all.

I'm in a demanding job, main earner and pretty much carry the full mental load for me, him and the household. And now I have DC to look after too.

I have now developed Generalised Anxiety Disorder as a result of this and also because I suffered multiple pregnancy losses before my DC was born, I also suffer from PTSD. But I am coping best I can and and am awaiting CBT. I want to be back to my healthy self and I know I can't fail my DC. I'm there for my little one.

I am at the point of filing for a divorce. I can't take anymore of this. I feel unloved, there were constant massive arguments (me yelling in desperation and nothing from him....if that's even an argument). It's toxic and no good for my DC or anyone.

It makes me really sad. I guess what I'm asking is perspectives from those of you with inattentive ADHD and spouses. Does anything work for you and what is it, if so? Is there anything at all that could improve and save the marriage? This is the last resort.

Thank you for listening.

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Berlioze · 11/04/2022 16:50

Hopeful bump?

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MenaiMna · 11/04/2022 17:27

Sorry you're just finding this out. I am married to one of those, and my DH is too! The difference is discipline. He doesn't know what day/date is, spends on stupid stuff, never tidies behind a task, would forget to feed dc if I went out for the afternoon because he's so clever and magic and "spontaneous". I use calendars, notes, phone alarms, write out tasks like projects because I KNOW I NEED TO. And between us I'm smarter than him so I had a problem and fixed it he still has a problem and frankly I've hit my limit. Sounds like it's ultimatum time. If it's that bad he needs a trip to the Dr for diagnosis and medication before you go to the Dr for anti depressants and anxiety meds. You may need instructional posters on parenting/ household tasks up on the walls but Grown ups sort themselves out. Good luck.

Indoctro · 11/04/2022 17:44

I have adhd

This book really helped my husband

I suggest you buying it , I think it will help you

The ADHD Effect on Marriage:... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1886941971?ref=ppxpoppmobappshare

Mamabananananana · 11/04/2022 17:54

I dont know but SAME, OP
Angry

DH would rather i thought he was a hopeless, feckless idiot rather than had ADHD ( which of course would help as i would knows its not his fault and how to help/communicate with him)
This weekend:
Friday " when your DM comes over- we will deep clean and sort out the kitchen whilst she watched DC "
Him "ok"
Saturday- same discussion to reiterate
Sunday Him" are we doing the kitchen?"
Me "yes, weve discussed this several times "
15 minutes into sorting kitchen Him " when will we do the washing?withurgency "
Me , trying to stay calm " we ll get to it. We re doing this now"
Him, unconvinced but continues
10 mins later He discovers his steamer"
Me " great! Can you steam the splash back ?"
Him: does half of splashback and then walks off the steam THE BATHROOM!?
Me " WHY are doing the bathroom!?weve not finished the kitchen!?"
Him, bewildered "but it needs done?"
Me : "agree, but can we FINISH THE KITCHEN "

Every dam weekend
And then hes furious when i say "hey this is a perfect example of your ADHD "

Fucking EXHAUSTED

Echobelly · 11/04/2022 17:57

Thanks @Indoctro - I may look at that. DS has been diagnosed with inattentive ADHD and DH and I both increasingly think he had it, probably more marked when he was a kid, but he just has these odd gaps in attention to things, can never, ever remember conversations and so on. He takes forever to get around to doing things that need to be done, though he is thorough and does a good job when he does tackle them.

PussInBin20 · 11/04/2022 18:04

I think some of the problem is you’re so capable and have been doing so much up to now that he has got used to this. He won’t start miraculously stepping up if he hasn’t been doing it prior to having DC.

Also, lots of men don’t see the chores that need doing, I don’t think that’s just men with ADHD. I think it’s just not as much of a priority for them. Probably stems a lot from childhood when Mummy did everything. They just think woman = wife, mother, housework etc even though of course nowadays we have to work as well.

I sympathise as you can’t do it all and realistically even if he gets a diagnosis, how will that help?

I doubt he will become the husband you need him to be if you have tried already unless perhaps you give him an ultimatum - maybe that will be the kick up the arse he needs to show him you are serious and you need help!

Good luck.

CheeseMaiden · 11/04/2022 18:12

@Mamabananananana my husband also has ADHD and was obsessed with with our steamer, would steam every, flipping, thing and nothing was cleaner for it! I ended up ‘disappearing’ it when we moved house a few years ago Blush
I’m sorry you are having a tough time @Berlioze, I also struggle with the mental load now we have a DC although DH is aware of what he can be like and does try. He is thinking of going to the Doctors to try medication as he is struggling with anxiety since becoming a parent, he is constantly worried he is doing something wrong.

BertieBotts · 11/04/2022 18:17

I will probably have to hide this thread later.

Does he think he has ADHD? Is he concerned about any of this at all? If not, that is the problem, not the ADHD.

When I was struggling with my abilities and the effect on my marriage and parenting I felt like absolute shit and that's why I went and got diagnosed in the hope that there would be some treatment or support that helps.

Dimenw · 11/04/2022 18:24

I have ADHD inattentive but not as bad as your DH. But, I find ways to manage it. I try to find ways of remembering important dates and events. Some still slip through, but calendars, phone reminders and lists (lots of lists) get me through mostly.
Your DH didn't seem to care, and he lies. ADHD doesn't make you oblivious of your partner's needs. Has he done anything at all to help himself? Self help books, GP? Because from the sound of it, the ADHD is only half the problem.

PuzzledObserver · 11/04/2022 18:25

I have inattentive ADHD diagnosed just last year, and although I don’t seem to be as severe as your DH, I definitely have many of the same issues and I’m sure my DH gets frustrated with my half-arsed unfinished jobs and forgotten/lost items.

There are basically three things that can help with ADHD.

  1. Strategies, such as alarms, visual cues and reminders.

  2. Coaching

  3. Medication

For medication he would need a formal diagnosis and a prescription because ADHD meds are controlled drugs. For some people they are life-changing - I have heard them described as “brain glasses”, because taking them brings everything into focus and makes it make sense, like when a short-sighted person puts glasses on. However, getting diagnosed as an adult can be a challenge. In many areas the NHS provision is poor to non-existent, with long waiting lists. One option would be to use NHS Right to Choose to get referred to to a private service, which the NHS will then fund. Have a look at psychiatry-uk.com.

The other two he could access without a formal diagnosis, and see if they help. But would probably need help to organise himself to do so, for obvious reasons.

So, the crucial thing is - does he think he has ADHD, or is it only you who has realised? Unless he recognises it, nothing is going to help.

Indoctro · 11/04/2022 18:27

@Echobelly if your child has its , it's highly likely you or your husband do

It's inherited I was told by my consultant, very very rarely it isn't but comes through trauma to baby at birth or illness,

But he said 99.9% comes from a parent so I would say yes your husband absolutely has it. The thing is you need to stop being cross at him because it really isn't his fault. If you have time please watch this also

Also some of the other ADHD stuff by Russell Barkely as with a true understanding of adhd , it will make it easier for you to deal with.

Adhdwife · 11/04/2022 18:48

He sounds very much like my DH who has ADHD, and you sound like me - the capable, money-managing and sometimes exhausted one.

It's incredibly hard work and frustrating - what is he prepared to do to lift some of the burden from you?

Have you been able to tell him what you've outlined here? And is he willing to seek a diagnosis and treatment? Your GP is the first port of call but you will probably need to go privately to see a psychiatrist any time soon.

My DH was described as mild and medication wasn't recommended, but the psychiatrist obviously doesn't see everything I put up with.

But my DH has a good heart underneath it all and has made huge improvements. I can point out to him when the ADHD behaviour is ramping up and he can have a rest and I leave him to his own devices. But our kids are grown up and your husband sounds somewhat worse than mine.

It'll never be like a marriage with a neurotypical husband but no one is perfect. My DH is brilliant at his job, which also happens to be a hyperfocus, but absolutely not career minded and I am the higher earner.

However, if I'd known how hard it would be before we had kids, I wouldn't have stayed and I think your decision should be based on how willing your husband is to recognise it, seek diagnosis and treatment, whether that"s medication, counselling, finding coping strategies etc. And then see if that's enough. It might be better for you to separate until he can sort himself out if you can. I have to remind myself it's not his fault, but, hell, it is hard.

Feel free to pm me and good luck - look after yourself for the sake of your kids.

JonesJollyJohnnies · 11/04/2022 19:14

I would bet he has it
It sounds similar to my dad and my brother who I suspect both have it
My dad is like a kid. My mum enables him - he just does what he wants, mainly his obsessive interests, you could be on fire but he would be oblivious.
My brother is like a kid as well. He’s fun but unable to emotionally connect with his kids because he is again oblivious. A serious conversation is quickly diverted by a flippant comment or a remark about the cat.
I find men very resistant to admitting something is wrong
I believe I have it too but more hyper. But I’m being assessed and am not defensive about it

Mamabananananana · 11/04/2022 19:16

@CheeseMaiden bloody steamer. He does love cleaning. Man cleaning,but still cleaning and all the accoutrements Grin
He nearly electrocuted himself twice by blasting it into the splash plug sockets. Twice i told him " you'll actually die if you keep doing that "
I deffo need to get him life insurance if hes going to go out in a rare household task related death Wink

MyNameIsAngelicaSchuyler · 11/04/2022 19:19

What’s his job? Is he successful / organised / productive at work?

ElenaSt · 11/04/2022 19:26

Did his mum do everything for him? It might not be a case if anything wrong g with him but in how he was raised and that’s why he chose you because you do everything so therefore he doesn’t have to?

I’ve met a few like that who appear to be ineffectual idiots whilst their wives are like you, bright and capable. Over time their brightness fades as they get worn down by it and so eventually split up despite the chap not being horrible, just utterly useless.

I have them noticed that the next wife they have they suddenly wake up and get their finger out and the new wife won’t tolerate laziness or sloppiness and the first wife is left puzzled as to why she got the useless lump but the next wife got a better husband than she did even though it was the same man.

BigGreen · 11/04/2022 19:33

Have you heard of alexithymia? It's an inability to recognise emotions (yourself, and then as a result, those around you.

Berlioze · 11/04/2022 19:39

Thank you all for your comments Flowers

In answer to your questions, he doesn't think there's anything wrong with him. Whenever I query why he didn't do X despite being asked, reminded, asked again etc or why he's only part done it and created five other jobs for me in between, he'd just say he didn't intend to upset me and he doesn't know why. He just thinks he's easy going and I'm nagging. He even once told me I 'harrass' him to do stuff. I honestly felt like shooting myself then, I tell him he's an adult and he should notice things around him and just get on with it, I then point them out to him (effectively micromanage), despite really not wanting to do it (but otherwise he'd ignore them forever) and I get this response.

He procrastinates forever and then complains if I remind him to do stuff. I can't understand this.

He knew I was going downhill for years and he took a step back and watched, never cared for my feelings seemingly. Sex drive non-existent on his part.

I feel completely ignored, neglected and taken for granted.

If it wasn't for me, he'd likely do the absolute necessary things and nothing else, ever - and when I say necessary I mean absolutely basic or less. For himself only. He doesn't seem to understand why I'm upset, he thinks I exaggerate and that I'm not serious. I felt for a long time that it was all my fault, that somehow I do things wrong or not enough, but it's never enough with someone like him it seems.

He also prioritises pleasing other people over looking after his own family, he has no boundaries.

I'm exhausted, worn out and angry that I got taken for granted for all these years and it cost me my health.

I am going to look up your suggestions gradually this week.

Problem is, I've already suggested to him that this might be ADHD, that he should contact his private MH support line which he has through work, weeks ago. Did he do it? No. To me this means again, he doesn't prioritise it and ignores the impact it has on me. I can't and don't want to help him if he doesn't help himself. I honestly can't understand how his brain is wired, nothing that I say seems to be getting through to him.

Did therapy and meds actually change your lives and your family lives for the better permanently?

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Berlioze · 11/04/2022 19:42

@MyNameIsAngelicaSchuyler

What’s his job? Is he successful / organised / productive at work?
He is quite senior now and is in a job that requires a lot of people management and he really struggles with this part.

I think he copes ok with the rest of it, however it is a very structured environment, in a sense there is a written policy and procedure for everything and so he doesn't need to do that much thinking, planning and organising himself if that makes sense.

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Berlioze · 11/04/2022 19:47

@ElenaSt

Did his mum do everything for him? It might not be a case if anything wrong g with him but in how he was raised and that’s why he chose you because you do everything so therefore he doesn’t have to?

I’ve met a few like that who appear to be ineffectual idiots whilst their wives are like you, bright and capable. Over time their brightness fades as they get worn down by it and so eventually split up despite the chap not being horrible, just utterly useless.

I have them noticed that the next wife they have they suddenly wake up and get their finger out and the new wife won’t tolerate laziness or sloppiness and the first wife is left puzzled as to why she got the useless lump but the next wife got a better husband than she did even though it was the same man.

She was the dominant person in the household but not one to bend over backwards for anyone (pretty cold, selfish and unpleasant). She would tell everyone what to do though.

His father is exactly the same as him and sadly he was MIL's pushover a lot of the time.

This post made me very sad, it's completely depressing me losing my health and nearly sanity might create a creme de la creme husband for somebody else, I feel awful even thinking about this.

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Mamabananananana · 11/04/2022 19:50

@Berlioze you might have to make the appointment for him, tell him he's going, if needed drive him there. I sympathise it's annoying AF but means youll get the ball rolling
DH complained about dental pain for 6 weeks but wouldnt make an appointment.
I think i broke, made him one , reminded him daily to tell his employers- did he end up going? No
Agree with PP , men dont like to admit there's sometimes " wrong"

NEMSparkle · 11/04/2022 19:51

@Berlioze

Thank you all for your comments Flowers

In answer to your questions, he doesn't think there's anything wrong with him. Whenever I query why he didn't do X despite being asked, reminded, asked again etc or why he's only part done it and created five other jobs for me in between, he'd just say he didn't intend to upset me and he doesn't know why. He just thinks he's easy going and I'm nagging. He even once told me I 'harrass' him to do stuff. I honestly felt like shooting myself then, I tell him he's an adult and he should notice things around him and just get on with it, I then point them out to him (effectively micromanage), despite really not wanting to do it (but otherwise he'd ignore them forever) and I get this response.

He procrastinates forever and then complains if I remind him to do stuff. I can't understand this.

He knew I was going downhill for years and he took a step back and watched, never cared for my feelings seemingly. Sex drive non-existent on his part.

I feel completely ignored, neglected and taken for granted.

If it wasn't for me, he'd likely do the absolute necessary things and nothing else, ever - and when I say necessary I mean absolutely basic or less. For himself only. He doesn't seem to understand why I'm upset, he thinks I exaggerate and that I'm not serious. I felt for a long time that it was all my fault, that somehow I do things wrong or not enough, but it's never enough with someone like him it seems.

He also prioritises pleasing other people over looking after his own family, he has no boundaries.

I'm exhausted, worn out and angry that I got taken for granted for all these years and it cost me my health.

I am going to look up your suggestions gradually this week.

Problem is, I've already suggested to him that this might be ADHD, that he should contact his private MH support line which he has through work, weeks ago. Did he do it? No. To me this means again, he doesn't prioritise it and ignores the impact it has on me. I can't and don't want to help him if he doesn't help himself. I honestly can't understand how his brain is wired, nothing that I say seems to be getting through to him.

Did therapy and meds actually change your lives and your family lives for the better permanently?

My husband of 20 years was diagnosed just before Christmas, he has started medication and it is helping. But I think what has helped most was the diagnosis itself the acceptance that he does have ADAD/ADD. Since he has spoken to others and read lots on it, he now recognises the behaviour patterns, he may not do anything about it sometimes but he is recognising it more. Its been tough and it still is, like you it has hugely impacted on my mental health over the years but now he has taken steps to help it is helping us as a family, still early days and a long way to go but things are alot better than 12months ago when I did consider packing the kids up and leaving.
Easterisoffeggstooexpensive · 11/04/2022 19:52

My life is a mirror image of yours op. Except dh acknowledges he has this. Undiagnosed as GP weren't interested..
Draining.

ElenaSt · 11/04/2022 19:52

I didn’t mean to upset you, it was an observation I have made quite a number of times.

I honestly don’t think he will change for you or whimsy he is with you and you have to decide to continue to be the one that gets everything done whilst he is to an extent an a albatross around your neck or for you to move on and find happiness with an equal.

Midlifemusings · 11/04/2022 19:59

I have the Inattentive ADHD too OP. My brain just doesn't prioritize or plan or organize. I just can't manage those things. It is a strange thing to have a brain that can do some things incredibly well and just can't do other things. I also procrastinate to the point that it causes me major issues and it is extremely difficult for me to finish anything.

I have tried meds but didn't find them particularly effective. It is extremely frustrating for me at times as I end up paying lots in overdue fees and fines and dealing withe the aftermath of not doing the thing I need to do at work or at home or in life. For me reminders don't really help as it isn't really a memory issue - it is an executive functioning issue. I know I need to do it, I just can't get it done. I can't execute the task. And then as more and more doesn't get done my brain gets overwhelmed with all the things to do and I do even less.

I am a woman and it has absolutely zero to do with how I was raised. My brain just has some major deficits that impact on my coginitive functioning. I do fine in some contexts and even excel which makes it really hard for anyone to understand why I can't do many more mundane or routine or basic tasks or why I don't just 'do' the things I need to do.

I was diganosed later in life and so didn't have the advantage or therapies to help. I have always known there must be something wrong as I just don't feel like a lazy person and am not lazy in every area. I am not saying every issue you have is due to deficits in his execugtive functioning but it could be that some or many are. There are only a few things that seem to let my brain kick into gear and I wish I could bottle those moments and use them when I need them.

I needed to move recently and even though I know exactly what needed to be done to get everything ready, I just didn't do it. I would beat myself up every day and tell myself to do better and get it done and it still wouldn't get done. I would set my alarm for 5:00am to get up and I would get up but still not be productive. I get sick to my stomach sometimes over the stress of not doing what I know I need to do but just don't do.

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