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DH with Inattentive ADHD - Advice Please

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Berlioze · 11/04/2022 16:21

Hi

I've NCd for this as it might be outing. I've been on here for a long time and read quite a few threads already, however I would like to ask for your opinions in respect of my personal circumstances.

I am mid-30s, DH is 40. For many years I've been wondering whether he has issues with his attention, comprehension, memory and communication. There have been countless miscommunications or failures to communicate on his part affecting me and third parties too (wider family, plumbers, builders, you name it).

He seems unable to prioritise tasks, can't see how to reach a goal (for example, he couldn't unpack the garage after we moved, he was so completely chaotic that he left it a bigger mess than it was to begin with - unable to think of the easiest, most sensible and efficient method IYSWIM).

He is not a completer-finisher, leaves tasks unfinished or cuts corners, so they are part finished and in the meantime he's created another job or two for someone else me to pick up, which he also fails to notice.

He generally doesn't pay attention to the world around him and doesn't join the dots. To me this is like lack of common sense or daydreaming. For example, wouldn't notice the dog's fur on the floor and think, oh I better mop/hoover tonight as our DC (who is crawling now) might pick it up otherwise.

He generally can't see things that are obvious to me, particularly chores. Can't organise himself at all. Doesn't seem to think they're his job and he needs to do them several times a week.

He is terrible with numbers and money management. I have to do it all because he just can't grasp it. I have no idea how he passed his GCSE, it's really basic stuff. He can't budget at all and was in debt previously.

He's a 100% people pleaser, would tell white lies/half truths only to keep the peace for himself and many a time this has eventually caused major rifts within the family in particular. He doesn't deal with conflict at all.

He can't plan or organise anything ahead, not even few days in advance, not to mention months or say, a holiday.

I left him to manage a number of things before and it ended up with a disaster and enormous stress, missed deadlines, financial hardship because he failed to fix bills/switch providers even after being asked and reminded.

He has lots of more or less fleeting interests that are frankly pretty impractical, he can quote lines from movies he watched only once but somehow has no space in the brain to check if our DC is strapped into the car seat properly. Many times DC wasn't and he just drove off.

He runs away from problems, doesn't see them, doesn't discuss them, doesn't solve them. He's terribly passive.

He wouldn't apply for a promotion or a new job unless with a lot of encouragement, or frankly, a big push many times over.

I could go on and on.

I am a capable person, a strong organiser and planner. I'm very good with numbers and generally have a lot of energy.

I've been with him for 10 years and obviously noticed these things, however I don't think I've realised the severity until around 5-ish years ago. I talked to him many times. Initially thought he was selfish, lazy, inattentive. I thought he'd work on himself. He tried, but ultimately reversed to his default is time.

Our DC arrived last year and this was a huge eye opener. Even though DH is undiagnosed, I am now certain he has inattentive ADHD. He has been like a deer in the headlights for nearly a year now, failed to prioritise DC or myself, even after my C section. I have always been expected to do everything like I used to despite now having a child to look after and my own recovery. He didn't offer to take anything off my plate, I've become totally invisible. When I finally had enough and told him to step up, he couldn't juggle working and running a house at all. Everything was messy and chaotic and he had no idea what to do. He didn't even think of making any plans for when my salary drops to SMP, I saved up for it. Not one question asked. He bought DC maybe 5-10 items in total, everything else was organised by me. He never even asked or initiated a discussion. He is still behaving like I'm never on his list of priorities and even our DC isn't quite there. He loves DC, but is a Disney dad, for lots of laughs and fun stuff but not to contact the nursery, not to arrange any health appointments, not to think about childcare arrangements when I'm back in work etc. No practicalities of looking after a child at all.

I'm in a demanding job, main earner and pretty much carry the full mental load for me, him and the household. And now I have DC to look after too.

I have now developed Generalised Anxiety Disorder as a result of this and also because I suffered multiple pregnancy losses before my DC was born, I also suffer from PTSD. But I am coping best I can and and am awaiting CBT. I want to be back to my healthy self and I know I can't fail my DC. I'm there for my little one.

I am at the point of filing for a divorce. I can't take anymore of this. I feel unloved, there were constant massive arguments (me yelling in desperation and nothing from him....if that's even an argument). It's toxic and no good for my DC or anyone.

It makes me really sad. I guess what I'm asking is perspectives from those of you with inattentive ADHD and spouses. Does anything work for you and what is it, if so? Is there anything at all that could improve and save the marriage? This is the last resort.

Thank you for listening.

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Embracelife · 11/04/2022 20:03

He needs to go get diagnosed
You cannot diagnose or treat him
He is an adult
He has to waNt to get diagnosed and to manage it

Adhdwife · 11/04/2022 20:07

@Berlioze Therapy and acceptance has made a huge difference, yes. We are still working stuff out as DH was only diagnosed last year.

We have both developed coping strategies and he is annoyed with himself now if he slips back into inattentive behaviour. Most importantly he doesn't get defensive when I tell him I can see the ADHD behaviour ramping up.

But if it's wrecking your health I would strongly advise having a trial separation while he seeks help. I agree with the poster who said you will have to make the appointment and take him to it.

Does he know his marriage is at stake? That was the wake-up call for my DH.

Champagneforeveryone · 11/04/2022 20:26

I could have written that post about DH and every word resonated very clearly with me.

DH and I have had numerous "conversations" about it, most of them completely inconclusive. We've eventually settled on lists to ensure housework gets done - I resent this as I feel this is micromanaging and does not place any responsibility at his door, he feels this is nagging and infantilising but there seems no other option aside from me murdering him in his sleep

I've completely given up on trying to get him to do any life admin because it leads to such levels of frustration on both our parts. Occasionally I force him to make a decision about simple things like what we will have for dinner or where we will walk the dogs, but it is very like giving a toddler a choice of only two colours of t-shirt otherwise he just can't cope.

This behaviour does extend to every aspect of his life, so I am at least sure that he's not just lazy and actively picking and choosing what he takes a role in.

Lastly I hate to say this, but DH has tried very hard to appear "normal" for years. He's at an age now where he cares a lot less about what people think, but this (probably combined with natural age related slowing down) has translated to an even greater lack of engagement with the world in general. I am also fearful about retirement as I can see that he will just while away hours a day - fortunately the one upside to his appalling financial planning is he has no actual pension so can't afford to retire

birthdaytou · 11/04/2022 20:39

I have inattentive ADHD (diagnosed over 20 year ago now) I have terrible anxiety as a result of trying to compensate for it/hide it. It really wrecks your self esteem.

Firstly, I would really try to convince him to get a diagnosis, it will help him understand himself better and medication may work well for him. There's are various Facebook groups for adults with adhd, he could also join those to learn about it.

I have a lot of empathy for both of you, I appreciate how hard it is having an ADHD partner. My husband sounds a lot like you, he's highly capable and very neurotypical, I drive him mad. However him taking time to understand ADHD has helped our relationship massively.

Some things to help. Re the financial stuff, he needs to make sure any payments are set up as DD. Re day to day, I have to reply on writing daily to do lists and I set reminder alarms. I have my clothes on an open rack so I can see them and remember what I have plus keep things more organised, prevent it pulling up on a chair. We have I put labels of all my drawers and my kids. I have managed to get systems in place that work for me, it's is possible it's just takes work. I have a place for my keys and wallet that never changes (I still manage to miss place them but this really helps).

Ultimately he has to want to do all of this himself, you can't do it for him, but my husband has really helped me get some logical systems in place then I follows them. If they don't work then we rethink them. Work as a team and you can deal with it.

Wammawink · 11/04/2022 20:47

You have summed up my husband completely. It's ruined our relationship completely. He can't ever change and honestly I just resent everything about him now after years of this.

Echobelly · 11/04/2022 20:54

@Indoctro - I'm not actually cross towards him about it at all, I bear it calmly because otherwise our life would just be full or nagging and bickering and even before the idea he had ADHD came along I just saw he was like that and having a go wasn't going to improve anything. Our marriage is doing OK, but I'd still like to read the book.

I have watched some of those videos you mention a month or ago, but I do need to watch the rest.

DH is good at his job technically, but not always with people - he's lost a few roles because sometimes people or a person in charge find him 'disruptive' (a word that's come up more than once). It's not that he yells at people or anything but I've come to realise I think sometimes people are a bit taken aback by him - I reckon he wears his heart on his sleeve more than he realises and people can find his reactions just a tad too much.

I was noticing this with my brother's family over - he got visibily quite concerned that a small serving item that we were using for tea (that was a wedding present) looked broken and I could see my SIL and niece looking a bit askance at him for being so concerned. He wasn't angry or anything, just fussing about it in a way that I could see seemed a bit OTT.

notapizzaeater · 11/04/2022 21:00

My son has inattentive adhd - he calls his meds 'concentration tablets' he is constantly darting from thought to thought without the meds, with them he can complete things !

Poppetlove · 11/04/2022 21:01

My husband is like yours; I think it’s autism or just completely selfish behaviour.
I have bad health now too, it’s completely horrendous having a rude adult to care for.

Indoctro · 11/04/2022 21:15

@Echobelly I definitely would read that book I think it will help you

Especially feel less unappreciated, and unloved type thing.

I'm sure he appreciates you very much but struggles to show it in a way that you feel it.

Those videos are awfully good and will help you understand your son and your husband more and also I would advise your husband to seek a diagnosis as a child fairs better when the parent is diagnosed. Otherwise as your son gets older his and your husbands relationship might suffer.

Indoctro · 11/04/2022 21:19

@Wammawink

You have summed up my husband completely. It's ruined our relationship completely. He can't ever change and honestly I just resent everything about him now after years of this.
@Wammawink unfortunately ADHD people have the highest rates of divorce sadly

If you haven't left your husband yet, please scroll back and see the book I recommended, it's brilliant and it might just change your relationship. Honestly just please try it

Marriage can work for adhd people but their partners need to understand , that book will help both of you. It's written for both sides.

LegMeChicken · 11/04/2022 21:19

@Embracelife

He needs to go get diagnosed You cannot diagnose or treat him He is an adult He has to waNt to get diagnosed and to manage it
This OP. all these strategies etc etc take a hell lot of work. You can't half arse it. ADDITUDE magazine is v.g, get your h reading it, see if he recognises himsself
Echobelly · 11/04/2022 21:20

DH looked into diagnosis as he had wondered about being NNT in some way - psychiatrist he spoke to said he didn't come out clearly as one thing or another but pretty definitely NNT in some way! A clear diagnosis would be helpful, for one thing might explain the jobs problem. He's partly solved that by going freelance so he's never anywhere that long, and some contracts do end early but that's the nature of the game. Fortunately what he does pays very well and is quite in demand.

I do feel loved by DH, but I sometimes I feel a bit underappreciated for quite how much I do for him, though he does acknowledge it on occasion.

Berlioze · 11/04/2022 21:22

OK, a couple of questions to those of you with inattentive ADHD if I may.

Can you describe what you feel and what your thoughts are when you know that you need to do something?

And also what are they if someone reminds you of what you need to do?

I am really trying hard to understand his brain. Although I acknowledge I will never walk in his shoes. I really struggle to even imagine his perception tbh and I'm the type that needs to understand something to deal with it. I asked him, but he can't give me a straight answer, ever.

Secondly, if you ever came across men with inattentive ADHD, do you think they cope worse than you as women with the condition? I read this over and over again, that women develop better masking but also coping strategies. Why is it that we as women can do it and men not so much? I can't quite get my head around it? Is ut because we're forced to perform whereas they can get away with doing less? So would forcing him eventually work? I have tried but it's so exhausting. It basically means nagging and micromanaging, I hate both.

I am reading through your posts and much like on other threads, it seems that inattentive ADHD can present differently and some things work for some people, but there are people for whom there isn't really much that can be done. I am finding this very difficult to deal with as a person on the other side as well, it's a long and uncertain road and it seems like it's never going to be ok. I am so exhausted that this perspective at the moment isn't something I can take on.

I can't imagine my life being a constant management battle for the rest of my days.

Those of you living with an inattentive ADHD partner, what do you do if you ever relax? What do you do to reenergize?

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Adhdwife · 11/04/2022 22:01

Those of you living with an inattentive ADHD partner, what do you do if you ever relax? What do you do to reenergize?

Time apart is vital. We have a big house and now the DC have moved away I have realised we can't downsize because I just need to retreat at times away from my noisy, hyperactive husband.

I have an active social life with my female friends which is a big support.

PuzzledObserver · 11/04/2022 22:16

@Berlioze

OK, a couple of questions to those of you with inattentive ADHD if I may.

Can you describe what you feel and what your thoughts are when you know that you need to do something?

And also what are they if someone reminds you of what you need to do?

I am really trying hard to understand his brain. Although I acknowledge I will never walk in his shoes. I really struggle to even imagine his perception tbh and I'm the type that needs to understand something to deal with it. I asked him, but he can't give me a straight answer, ever.

Secondly, if you ever came across men with inattentive ADHD, do you think they cope worse than you as women with the condition? I read this over and over again, that women develop better masking but also coping strategies. Why is it that we as women can do it and men not so much? I can't quite get my head around it? Is ut because we're forced to perform whereas they can get away with doing less? So would forcing him eventually work? I have tried but it's so exhausting. It basically means nagging and micromanaging, I hate both.

I am reading through your posts and much like on other threads, it seems that inattentive ADHD can present differently and some things work for some people, but there are people for whom there isn't really much that can be done. I am finding this very difficult to deal with as a person on the other side as well, it's a long and uncertain road and it seems like it's never going to be ok. I am so exhausted that this perspective at the moment isn't something I can take on.

I can't imagine my life being a constant management battle for the rest of my days.

Those of you living with an inattentive ADHD partner, what do you do if you ever relax? What do you do to reenergize?

OK. When I know I need to do something, it all depends how stimulating it is. If it’s new, interesting, important to me, then I’m excited, happy, and get on with it.

But if it is routine, challenging repetitive or in any way unappealing, then my heart sinks. I will have every intention of doing it, but….. the phone goes (phew!) or I haven’t got the right information so I can’t start now, or something else comes to mind which seems more important, so I do that instead. Or I’m going to have just one more game of Toy Blast - except I score really badly, so of course I’ve got to have another go, and before you know it an hour has passed. Or look at this mess on my desk, God I can’t start that task until I’ve tidied up, or at least put things into fewer piles. Wow, I’ve actually filtered out enough stuff to half fill the recycling bin, I’ve done really well there. Now, to get started on the actual task….. oh wait, it’s nearly lunchtime, there’s no point starting now.

If someone reminds me - so angry! Get of my case - I’m going to do it, I am!

The result of years of feeling I ought to be doing more, doing better, being better was an abiding sense of failure. But no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t change. It didn’t mean I didn’t care.

Echobelly · 11/04/2022 22:26

DH doesn't do nothing around the house, it's just ad hoc and unpredictable when he does so I've never been that exhausted. The kids are older now, but they were fairly 'easy' when young - no sleepless babies or terrible toddlers - plus we had a lot of help from our parents when we wanted it, so I guess I was never wrung out and we had time outside the house and as a couple.

Connected Google calendars helped with one of the banes of our life early in our marriage. Ie 'You never discussed this with me!' (when I could remember literally where I was the three times we discussed 'this'), also him coming to accept that when I said I'd told him, I'd told him. He also used, infuriatingly, to always give a reason he couldn't take in what I was saying at that moment. Some fair enough - just waking up, just going to sleep, in the middle of some work. Others less so - eating, 'relaxing'. I did wonder when the hell I could ever expect to be listened to in that case! I also told him that I cannot be expected to be responsible for whether he's heard something or not if I ask him at what should be sensible time. He needs to try to listen.

I think that's a mixture of ADHD and also unhealthy dynamics in his family where even the simplest exchange of words has the capacity to turn into a massive, screaming row. I would tell that sometimes all I needed was a 'Yes' or 'No', and I was not his mum and I don't turn things in screeching arguments!

Coffeesnob11 · 11/04/2022 22:29

I am in my 40's am a woman and have adhd. I am a high earner and a single parent. Medication helps me. When I don't want to do a task I actually will do 20 other tasks not to do that particular task and the more you ask me the more stuck I get. Mum wants me to sell some lamps on Facebook for her. I can't explain why I don't want to do it or can't get started but it's frustrating her and annoying me. I use the pomodoro app to start work tasks I don't want to do. Mostly once i start I get hyperfocused and won't stop. I use a lot of alarms on my phone, lists and other tools to keep my life (and my child's) on track. Most people would say I am organised but it takes a lot of mental effort which is exhausting.
I too am a people pleaser, I also struggle to make decisions and deciding what to have for dinner can cause me an unbelievable amount of stress. I am indecisive because I don't want to upset anyone by picking wrong lyrics whereas in reality more people are just frustrated I won't answer with my own thoughts. I can appreciate how frustrating and annoying I can be. I am now happily single.
What does he think about couples counselling?

He has to want to help himself you can't want something more for him than he wants for himself.

Berlioze · 11/04/2022 22:30

@PuzzledObserver So do you at any point make a choice that you will actively look for other, more 'interesting' stuff to do?

Do you ever think that some of this other 'interesting' stuff isn't actually interesting at all and it's just an excuse?

Therefore, it's not worth indulging in it and better to save yourself the stress and time and do what you needed to do in the first place instead?

I am basically trying to understand if there is any control over this in an ADHD brain, to either prevent or talk yourself out of moving your attention to a different think as an avoidance strategy.

Because if you can divide tasks between interesting and not interesting then this suggests to me there is a conscious element of choice, therefore control, there?

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birthdaytou · 11/04/2022 22:31

@Berlioze I have a really poor perception of time, I think I can do things faster than I can so often run late. I also can't process things in a logical way, I get constantly distracted. When I am doing something I want to get it done fast so often charge around from A to B at lightening speed so i don't forgot. If it's an admin type task It'll take forever as I can only concentrate a certain amount of time then I have a mini melt down. In terms of coping, I'm doing a job I really care about an enjoy so that I can channel my hyper hyper to it, this can be an asset. I'm terms of how men vs women cope, I am a mum and the expectation is that I do most parenting and must at home, I have no choice but to find coping strategies. I have really bad anxiety because I'm always doubting myself and doubling triple checking everything. I'm not on it now but am thinking or going back on to Medication, it works really well for me. It's honestly like I can concentrate and think with clarity, like an NT person i would imagine!

birthdaytou · 11/04/2022 22:33

Hyper focus that should have said not hyper hyper

Berlioze · 11/04/2022 22:33

@Adhdwife My female friends are my only escape, but I feel I shouldn't have to escape my own husband. We sleep in separate bedrooms atm, spend only mornings and evenings together and he still drives me up the wall. I start and finish my day noticing the things that still haven't been done and reminding him daily of one of those many things. I'm constantly anxious in my head as a result and I feel the joy has been sucked out of my life.

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Indoctro · 12/04/2022 07:12

You do realise there is no such thing as inattentive adhd it's just adhd

But as adults the hyperactive side becomes less outwards and move inwards so brain going into overdrive and not being able to switch off , brain racing etc.

That's why we no longer talk about ADD as it's all the same thing. It's just adhd.

PuzzledObserver · 12/04/2022 07:41

@Berlioze

So do you at any point make a choice that you will actively look for other, more 'interesting' stuff to do?

No. Well, if the thing I’m doing is a leisure thing and I’ve got bored with it, then yes. But to deliberately avoid an “ought to do” thing, no.

Do you ever think that some of this other 'interesting' stuff isn't actually interesting at all and it's just an excuse?

Of course, because I’ve been beating myself up my whole life. But it’s not just an excuse. It’s the way my brain functions. It’s to do with dopamine levels - people with ADHD have chronically low levels of dopamine, so tend to gravitate towards activities which are stimulating - and often, simply being different to what you’re currently doing is sufficient simulation. In the same way as people generally are drawn to sweet and salty snacks when they are tired - it’s their brain/body trying to supply something which is lacking. NT people are better at staying on task because they already have sufficient dopamine, they don’t need to find something to boost it.

Therefore, it's not worth indulging in it and better to save yourself the stress and time and do what you needed to do in the first place instead?

That would of course be entirely logical, but I CAN’T DO IT.

I am basically trying to understand if there is any control over this in an ADHD brain, to either prevent or talk yourself out of moving your attention to a different think as an avoidance strategy.

It’s not a conscious avoidance strategy. The attention gets hijacked - that’s not a choice. However, managing the environment to reduce distractions and providing cues and prompts to help someone get back on track can be useful. That needs to be done systematically, ahead of time. If the person with ADHD is aware of that and becomes interested in it, they can be brilliant at it.

Because if you can divide tasks between interesting and not interesting then this suggests to me there is a conscious element of choice, therefore control, there?

You haven’t grasped what ADHD is, then, and to be frank, these questions leave me feeling angry. Would you ask someone with diabetes why they don’t try harder to control their blood glucose? Would you tell someone with chronic depression to buck up and stop moping around?

Now, in both those examples, there are things the person can do to alleviate the worst of the symptoms, but it takes effort and energy and they can not ever be normal. Not WILL not - CAN not.

And with ADHD, there are things people can do to help manage the symptoms, tools and strategies which help them get more done. But it takes effort and energy. Formal diagnosis is (IMO) helpful, because it can lead to the person reading up about their condition - it often becomes a hyperfocus - and many ADHDers then start to work hard on implementing things that will help. Plus the possibility of medication.

For your benefit, and your husband’s, please read this article, especially the first two paragraphs.

www.additudemag.com/slideshows/why-cant-i-focus-adhd-strategies/

Also - none of the above will be of any use unless he knows he has ADHD. Does he? A couple of people have asked that, but as yet I haven’t seen an answer. Or maybe you’ve answered and I wasn’t paying attention Wink

Adhdwife · 12/04/2022 07:47

@Berlioze i don't think of time apart as a failure - no one person can meet all another's needs.

The pandemic has undoubtedly made life with an ADHD partner worse - if you're both at home more, you notice the ADHD behaviour more.

But if there's nothing you like about him, then why would you stay together?

It may be you're at the lowest point with all of this - I get it, we were there too and I was on the verge of leaving.

What brought you together in the first place? What were the good points? Is there any sign of those now, can you retrieve any of that if you can both find strategies to cope with his condition?

Ultimately if you don't feel you're up on the deal though it's time to separate and I don't say that lightly but you have to put your physical and mental health first.

Catgotyourbrain · 12/04/2022 08:05

My DH has adhd. It was diagnosed after our DS got a diagnosis at 8. ‘I thought that was normal’ was the repeated phrase after DS was diagnosed - DS was and is clearly ADHD all the way and never slept, sat still, etc ever. DH and I realised he was too and paid privately for a diagnosis. The doctor looked at DHs school reports and knew there and then - though he had hours and hours of tests.

What we did was I identified the psychiatrist at the local NHS ADHD unit (2 year wait list and only takes referrals if you are so bad you can’t work or are a criminal). I then found out where this doctor has a private clinic and went to that. This meant NHS couldn’t brush diagnosis aside as was same doctor it would have been on NHS - so GP accepted the prescription and referral.

DH takes methylphenidate- which does help a lot. Knowledge and acceptance helps a lot.

How is your DC OP?

It’s hard, really hard. This is six years later and we are up and down. He does do stuff round the house though - but he never ever rests.

One thing: is he dyslexic too? DH never reads anything. I mean pretty much anything over one sentence. It took me a decade to realise that as he hides it so well. This is a major contributor to his lack of organisation- and yes I have to read important stuff for him! It’s exhausting.

At the end of the day you can support someone but you can’t be responsible for their existence. You need to prioritise yourself and you don’t have to stay with him. You don’t have to justify that either. Not wanting to carry that load is enough in itself.

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