Why is the USA banning abortion?

[MindPalace]

It is absolutely horrifying that 21-26 US states are actively considering outlawing abortion. There are no exemptions for rape or incest in many of the proposals.

I see lots of news articles on this eg this one

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/08/oklahomas-move-to-ban-abortions-is-a-prelude-of-america-without-roe-v-wade

But I can’t find one setting out the reasons why. Why on earth would they want to set back hard-won women’s rights?

And Poland as well. It’s quite scary.

Sorry if there is another recent thread on this btw.

if a miscarriage can be deemed negligent

What the actual fuck is that supposed to mean? Jesus fucking wept what a backward fucking country all this for some ghosty in the sky who may or may not exist

certainly not the wives of the anti abortionists

The same anti-abortionists who I’d bet my bottom dollar would be finding a private abortion clinic quick smart when they get their mistress pregnant and need to keep it all hush hush in the run-up to election season 👀👀👀

Wealthy women will still be able to access abortion services. Even the god fearing ones who proclaim to be anti-abortion. It will of course hit the poorest the hardest. And will perpetuate the poverty trap.

So a woman who suffers ten miscarriages could be jailed ten times. How compassionate these ‘Christian’ people are.

A true Christian who understands Jesus’s messages properly would not allow this in my admittedly uninformed opinion (I am not a Christian) and there are very many kind, tolerant Christians I know.

@HotDogKetchup

I can’t remember which state but when I had an ectopic pregnancy I learned that I would likely have died there - as the removal of the pregnancy (together with my ruptured tube) would have been considered an abortion. That was quite a frightening realisation.

See my quote above…Ohio…worse than that…illegal to not try to re-implant….

Both sexes using each other as living sex robots in throwaway encounters is as depressing and dehumanising as it gets.

What’s depressing or dehumanizing about sex for fun?

@DogandMog

Abortion needs to remain legal on the statute books for women in situations of rape and abuse, and I mean that in a more broad sense, including coercive sex.

Men need to start being held morally, legally and financially responsible for the messes that unwanted pregnancies bring. Maybe they should start being forced to think in advance where and how they dip their appendages. There's DNA tests these days to arbitrate disputes.

Deeper than the abortion issue though is the casual/hook up sex culture that needs to change. Young people need to start being taught that sex is for deepening meaningful relationships and creating offspring. And that when opposite gametes are intimately close, there's ALWAYS a possibility of pregnancy, no matter what contraception is used. Both sexes using each other as living sex robots in throwaway encounters is as depressing and dehumanising as it gets.

You needed to stop 9 words in. The rest is misogynist drivel.

@Hospedia

Boris Johnson would sing the National Anthem naked in Primark's front window whilst accompanying himself on a kazoo jammed between his flabby arsecheeks if he thiught it was going to win him votes.

I’d love to see this drawn by a cartoonist 🤣

@BuffyFanForever

It is absolutely not about hating women. Half of the babies aborted are women! It is due to the continuing scientific and medical knowledge being gained. There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive (this is the abortion limit in this country which is shocking). Yes there are strong lobbyists in the US who are Christian but there are also many other people who support the rights of babies to not be harmed.

@BuffyFanForever There is not one single case of a baby surviving at 20 weeks. Even at 23 weeks, if it survives long-term, it will have permanent lifelong serious disabilities.

I don't think Priti Patel is too far behind either, imo.
Some of the conservative party views regarding misogyny and rape are appalling.
I also believe the cross party faffing about the trans stuff is obscuring our view of that.

What a pp said about the burgeoning US right and lack of education can't be dismissed here in the UK either. Our tabloid media for example, know who their readers are.

This is worth a listen on the topic podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-snows-history-hit/id1042631089?i=1000548532575

Summary:

On January 22, 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a Texas law banning abortion, effectively legalising the procedure nationwide. The court held that a woman’s right to an abortion was implicit in the right to privacy protected by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

Roe v. Wade, involved the case of Norma McCorvey “Jane Roe”, who in 1969, wanted an abortion but lived in Texas, where abortion was illegal except when necessary to save the mother's life. Her attorneys, Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, filed a lawsuit on her behalf in U.S. federal court against her local district attorney, Henry Wade, alleging that Texas's abortion laws were unconstitutional.

Linda Greenhouse has reported on and written about the Supreme Court for The New York Times for more than four decades, earning numerous accolades, including a Pulitzer Prize. Currently, Linda writes an opinion column on the court and teaches at Yale Law School - today, she joins Dan on the podcast. They discuss the legality of abortion prior to the 19th century, the details of the court ruling, and the legacy and current challenges to Roe v. Wade, which continues to divide Americans today.

May Morris and another poster really got it right. PLUS - Since Reagan was elected there has been a far-right movement to overturn so many things in the US. They built universities to educate students into their doctrine and added funds to Catholic schools, and promoted candidates that agreed with their doctrine, etc. etc. So for a good 40 years they have steadily worked to make all this happen, and now they have a majority in the Supreme Court they think this is the time to overturn the right to abortion and anything else they want. It is a civil war without the shooting, yet.... We even have elected officials supporting Putin re: Ukraine. And they do nothing to help a single mom raise her child, no matter how it was conceived. They favor the big corporations over pollution controls, it goes on and on. Wish I could move.

Abortion is something that never should have been made illegal in the first place.

In the US, it came about due to one physician.

There shouldn't be a for or against. It shouldn't have any laws at all.

@BuffyFanForever

It is absolutely not about hating women. Half of the babies aborted are women! It is due to the continuing scientific and medical knowledge being gained. There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive (this is the abortion limit in this country which is shocking). Yes there are strong lobbyists in the US who are Christian but there are also many other people who support the rights of babies to not be harmed.

Also at 20 weeks is the earliest you can often test for things like Down Syndrome, Spina Bifida, etc. Which is why termination is legal at 20 weeks. Also, the foetus has no sentience at 20 weeks, and has no pain receptors as the brainstem and nerve receptors are not even fully developed then. Ob/Gyns have said a foetus has no sentience or ability to feel pain at until around 26 weeks.

I read an interesting article a while ago that explained that abortion wasn't even a hot topic issue for right wing evangelicals up until the early 70s. Once they realised it was an issue they could use to their advantage all that changed.

@Brideandprejudice

Some people bare for it and some are against it so obviously things will move in both directions.

You might find it hard to believe that they're thinking about making them illegal, but others find it equally horrifying that they are legal.

but others find it equally horrifying that they are legal. only people who hate women

What I don't understand is how you can be anti-choise, anti-sex ed and anti-welfare state at the same time. Let's not educate our children and then when they get pregnant they can't have abortions or get any help from government and will be covered in debt from the childbirth they didn't want.

I've had an ectopic pregnancy and I don't think I'll ever not be heartbroken over it.
But my days, how on earth does one be so stupid to think that a embryo can simply be replanted?

Because misogynistic, womyn hating, forced birthing cunts have too much power there.

this will definitely increase the amount of kids in care and the amount of kids abused no doubt.

Ob/Gyns have said a foetus has no sentience or ability to feel pain at until around 26 weeks

So we measure life on its ability to suffer? That seems absurd.

@BuffyFanForever

It is absolutely not about hating women. Half of the babies aborted are women! It is due to the continuing scientific and medical knowledge being gained. There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive (this is the abortion limit in this country which is shocking). Yes there are strong lobbyists in the US who are Christian but there are also many other people who support the rights of babies to not be harmed.

What absolute nonsense. No baby can 'survive and thrive' at 20 weeks gestation.

The vast majority of abortions are carried out at under 10 weeks, the number done at 20 weeks is tiny.

Men need to start being held morally, legally and financially responsible for the messes that unwanted pregnancies bring. Maybe they should start being forced to think in advance where and how they dip their appendages

Indeed. But it will never happen.

@BuffyFanForever Also the 'heartbeat' law is a furphy. There is no actual heartbeat until the third trimester. An electrical pole is not a 'heart'. It's a misnomer that even GPs and OBGYNs have cleared up.

@Rewis

What I don't understand is how you can be anti-choise, anti-sex ed and anti-welfare state at the same time. Let's not educate our children and then when they get pregnant they can't have abortions or get any help from government and will be covered in debt from the childbirth they didn't want.

easier to control a poor and uneducated populace.