Page 2 | Why is the USA banning abortion?

Ringmaster27 · 08/04/2022 13:40

@BuffyFanForever I’m sorry, but those foetuses have no rights until they leave the mother’s body.
The living, breathing human being who can survive without a host body keeping it alive is who’s rights should be at the forefront of this.
I think what infuriates me the most about this whole issue is the people screaming for the rights of the foetus to life aren’t at the front of the queue at fostering and adoption agencies to give a home to the babies who were born but unwanted.

IncompleteSenten · 08/04/2022 13:40

Oh yes, the men won't like the fact they'll no longer be able to weep and moan that they didn't want a child so shouldn't have to pay child support because the woman should have had an abortion.

MargaritasOnMe · 08/04/2022 13:41

I am horrified by this pro-abortion stance, and find it unbelievable how many people support it. I think forcing someone to carry and deliver a baby they don't want should be considered akin to torture. And I have 3 kids. It's ghastly. Incidentally, I know mn is obsessed with over-population and people not having more than 2 dc and so on, but I believe the birth rate is dropping in many countries and it's quite concerning for the economies of a lot of places. I wonder if this is a way to try and help raise it. I think I've read that other countries are beginning to financially incentivise having a large family for this reason too(which is clearly a much better strategy!).

Escarpahell · 08/04/2022 13:41

Have a read of Before You Know It by John Bargh - he explains how America inherited its puritanism from the original Protestant settlers and, unlike other modern societies, has hung on to it for over 400 years. Fascinating stuff.

FrangipaniBlue · 08/04/2022 13:42

@BuffyFanForever

It is absolutely not about hating women. Half of the babies aborted are women! It is due to the continuing scientific and medical knowledge being gained. There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive (this is the abortion limit in this country which is shocking). Yes there are strong lobbyists in the US who are Christian but there are also many other people who support the rights of babies to not be harmed.

So why not reduce the gestation period at which it's legal?

Or allow exemptions?

Utter twaddle. It's absolutely about making sure women know their place.

EatSleepRantRepeat · 08/04/2022 13:42

@IncompleteSenten

Oh yes, the men won't like the fact they'll no longer be able to weep and moan that they didn't want a child so shouldn't have to pay child support because the woman should have had an abortion.

I want them to get on with releasing the male pill @IncompleteSenten - the option of that plus condoms will leave no wriggle room for that argument!

UhtredsLatestPaganHussy · 08/04/2022 13:44

The powerful American right would have everyone living under a theocracy.

They will start with repealing Roe so abortion is all but illegal, move on to Griswold making access to contraception more difficult, then move on to Obergefell, to get rid of gay marriage, then to Loving -
outlawing interracial marriage.

Dark days ahead for America.

DigitusImpudicus · 08/04/2022 13:44

That is unreal, OP.

Knittingchamp · 08/04/2022 13:46

@MindPalace

It is absolutely horrifying that 21-26 US states are actively considering outlawing abortion. There are no exemptions for rape or incest in many of the proposals.

I see lots of news articles on this eg this one

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/08/oklahomas-move-to-ban-abortions-is-a-prelude-of-america-without-roe-v-wade

But I can’t find one setting out the reasons why. Why on earth would they want to set back hard-won women’s rights?

And Poland as well. It’s quite scary.

Sorry if there is another recent thread on this btw.

OP the GOP is very 'under his eye" at the moment, isn't it, I think that's why we are getting these insane woman hating rules.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/04/2022 13:46

@BuffyFanForever

It is absolutely not about hating women. Half of the babies aborted are women! It is due to the continuing scientific and medical knowledge being gained. There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive (this is the abortion limit in this country which is shocking). Yes there are strong lobbyists in the US who are Christian but there are also many other people who support the rights of babies to not be harmed.

Virtually no babies under 22 weeks survive link. This hasn't changed in 20 years.

In answer to your question, OP, US states are becoming increasingly polarised, politically. It used to be quite common to have, say, a Democrat senator and a Republican governor (or vice versa) for the same area. This is now rare. As populations become more polarised, so do the policies they support.

OuttaBabylon · 08/04/2022 13:50

God. It's because of God.

endofthelinefinally · 08/04/2022 13:50

Access to contraception is being removed from many health insurance policies I understand (from previous threads on MN). Also, in USA, if you have no job or a low paid job, your access to any kind of health care is limited.
Add in the prevalence of rape, forced and underage marriage, the prospects for females (biological women and girls) is pretty grim.
It is all about controlling women and removing their rights.
Men are finding new and more effective ways to do this all the time.

TerribleCustomerCervix · 08/04/2022 13:52

@ABitBesottedWithMyDog

The UK isn't exactly at the forefront of human rights, despite the rhetoric. Sadly, I can well imagine this happening here in the not too distant future.

Oddly enough, countries where abortion is normal and stigma-free, such as China and Russia, are ones we like to demonise as having poor human rights records.

I guess it depends whether you consider women to be human or not.

The government have recently decided to maintain the Abortion From Home provision that was created during the pandemic, and forced some abortion provision through for women from NI despite protests from the DUP.

So no, it’s not perfect but holding up China or Russia as bastions of abortion rights isn’t right either.

IShouldBeSoLurky · 08/04/2022 13:53

@BuffyFanForever

It is absolutely not about hating women. Half of the babies aborted are women! It is due to the continuing scientific and medical knowledge being gained. There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive (this is the abortion limit in this country which is shocking). Yes there are strong lobbyists in the US who are Christian but there are also many other people who support the rights of babies to not be harmed.

Now I see! So that’s why they’re improving access to terminations to ensure they happen as early and as smoothly as possible, so there’s no risk of terminating a pregnancy that might be viable!

Oh wait…

LumpyandBumps · 08/04/2022 13:54

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

One state had included not aborting ecoptic pregnancies in their bill.

Yes, the state of Missouri ( maybe should be renamed Misery), and not only are they seeking to not allow abortion for ectopic pregnancy they are also trying to bring in legislation to stop women travelling to other states to obtain one. According to the report I read ectopic pregnancy accounts for 2.7% of pregnancy related deaths at present. An ectopic pregnancy can’t end in a successful birth, but can kill the mother. So an unviable foetus has more rights than a woman? Are they actually mad?

Twizbe · 08/04/2022 13:55

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

One state had included not aborting ecoptic pregnancies in their bill.

That's ridiculous. What do they propose to do instead? Let the woman die? Potentially depriving her existing children of a mother?

Almost as stupid as that man who said you can move an ectopic pregnancy.

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MindPalace · 08/04/2022 13:56

I’m actually quite interested to see that there are still a fair few people (including women) against abortion. I naively thought that very few people, at least in the UK, thought like that anymore. At least we still have freedom of speech I suppose unless it’s about trans issues/women’s rights - a whole other thread

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IncompleteSenten · 08/04/2022 13:56

That women only island someone joked about on here is looking more and more tempting.

Hospedia · 08/04/2022 13:57

There are many babies born at 20weeks who now survive and thrive

Bullshit.

If you're going to debate from a forced-birth POV then at least check your facts first.

Tommy's lists the following information on survival rates according to gestational age:

Less than 22 weeks is close to zero chance of survival
22 weeks is around 10%
24 weeks (limit in much of the UK for most abortions) is around 60%
27 weeks is around 89%
31 weeks is around 95%
34+ weeks is equivalent to a baby born at full term

The youngest ever surviving premature baby was born at 21wks and two days so no, there are not "many babies born at 20 weeks" who survive and thrive. There are literally none. The you gest ever surviving preemie had a twin who did not survive, he himself at around 2yrs of age requires supplementary oxygen, medication for hypotension, and a feeding tube and there are questions over how he will develop as he grows. He is lauded as a medical marvel simply because he is, his chances of survival were less than 1%.

BlueThursday · 08/04/2022 13:58

In summary: abortion bad, electric chair good

UhtredsLatestPaganHussy · 08/04/2022 13:59

Tennessee Republicans introduced a bill into their state's House that would have scrapped an age requirement for marriage.

In the year 2022.

Can they make it any clearer what they're about?

JosephineDeBeauharnais · 08/04/2022 13:59

You’d be surprised how many of our senior politicians are anti-abortion. The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt being one of them…

zoemum2006 · 08/04/2022 14:01

Americas electoral system is arcane and gives more voice to fringe views than is warranted.

South Dakota and North Dakota have about a million people and 4 Republican senators.

California has 38 million people and two democrat senators.

The system is rigged and the evangelical Right teamed up with the Republican Party about 4 decades ago to fight the declining influences of both.

Unfortunately abortion is a really emotive political issue in the stars rather than a private, medical procedure.

Keithlovessmash · 08/04/2022 14:01

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

One state had included not aborting ecoptic pregnancies in their bill.

I will never, ever understand this.

That will never be baby. And the woman will die too.

So, who wins?

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MindPalace · 08/04/2022 14:02

Some Democrat senators also want to ban abortions.

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