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Ukraine Invasion: Part 19

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MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:38

Welcome friends, still going

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littledrummergirl · 09/04/2022 16:15

Before the Russian invasion, British troops (and others?) Were training with the Ukraine military. I wouldn't be surprised if they have troops trained already on a lot of the equipment.

I still remember being told there will definitely be no war in Kuwait by our government whilst watching the equipment on base being painted in desert colours.

There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 09/04/2022 16:19

[quote JacquelineCarlyle]@Hillsmakeyoustrong please PM me the link to your just giving page as I'd like to donate. Thank you for what you're doing. [/quote]
I have sent you a DM 🙏

ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 16:21

I lost rack of who posted this, but thank you.

Ukraine, the UN and History’s Greatest Broken Promise

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61021862

I was interested to read the following paragraph:
Unlike Ukraine now, Rwanda was a country with little geo-political importance. The US and other powers on the Security Council refused until it was too late to use the word coined by the Lviv lawyer, Raphael Lemkin, because describing the slaughter as "genocide" might have created a responsibility to intervene and protect the victims under Article 1 of the Genocide Convention.

What is Article 1 of the Genicide Convention? I’ll go and look it up. But aren’t these transportations, bombing of hospitals and the railway, Mariupol Theatre, not allowing people to dig out places where live people are buried … genocide?

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 09/04/2022 16:23

Odesa is expecting attacks tomorrow. Many do not have even protective helmets. I am hoping it doesn't happen (they do get a lot of alerts) or the shelling will be very light.

Can't believe I'm reduced to hoping for just a 'light shelling' on citizens 🥺

TiddyTidTwo · 09/04/2022 16:24

Not sure if this has already been posted:
In Rubizhne, an embattled town of Donbas, a nitric acid leak amid hostilities.
Local civilians are strongly advised to stay indoors and keep windows shut tight.

Deliberated targeted for a second time?

ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 16:26

As customary international law, such obligations are binding on all States, whether or not they have ratified the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has also concluded that the obligation to prevent genocide contained in Article I of the Genocide Convention has an extraterritorial scope.
www.un.org › documents
ABOUT THE GENOCIDE CONVENTION - the United Nations

ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 16:28

@ Hillsmakeyoustrong

Please would you also pm me a link

dibly · 09/04/2022 16:40

What further steps realistically can UK and other countries now take to militarily support Ukraine? Agree with @Alexandra2001that this watching and waiting for the next travesty is just unbearable, feels like we’re almost complicit by withholding help in the face of the attacks, murder, rapes and abductions of so many children. We adopted our daughter, can’t even bare to think how scared and traumatised those children must be.

Tillsforthrills · 09/04/2022 16:48

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

How have you turned a discussion that’s largely about the atrocities Russian soldiers are committing against women as a tactic into talking about how this might make us more sympathetic to boat fulls of men refugees leaving women and children behind and escaping?

fernsandlilies · 09/04/2022 16:49

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ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 16:49

Transportation is considered to be genocide I read.

( Sick feeling over the orphans the U.K. sent as virtual slaves to Australia not that long ago.)

PaperTyger · 09/04/2022 16:50

The UN needs to finda hook to go in to peace keep.

Glad Boris went there!

fernsandlilies · 09/04/2022 16:52

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cloudberry · 09/04/2022 17:24

This is from an article in the Washington Post:

Another: Slovakia’s recent declaration that it will provide Ukraine with a Soviet-made S-300 long-range air defense system, with which Ukraine is already familiar. The United States will replace them for Slovakia by deploying a more modern, U.S.-made Patriot battery, including troops to operate it. This bolsters Patriots in Slovakia already staffed by Dutch and German troops.

I’m sure I read last night that they are training UA soldiers in the US but can’t now find it, also in the WP

cloudberry · 09/04/2022 17:34

I stayed up far too late last night watching the whole of S2 of Emily in Paris which was a much needed break from obsessively scrolling through here or Twitter or news sites, so may have been mistaken about the training as I know they’ve said that training is being given in neighbouring countries as mentioned below.

Also from The Washington Post:

At NATO meetings in Brussels this past week, the focus was on getting Ukrainian forces more advanced weapons systems as quickly as possible.
“Countries indicated they are willing to go further, because we recognize that this is a new offensive, that the Russian forces are more concentrated and that more advanced weapons will be required,” said a Western official who was at the NATO sessions.


British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said Friday that his country will be providing Ukraine with heavily armored troop carriers called Mastiffs — and that British troops will help train the Ukrainians in their operation in a neighboring countries.


The latest package from the United States, Sullivan said, includes laser-guided rocket systems, Puma drones, and armored high-mobility multipurpose wheeled vehicles.
More arms shipments from the United States are coming soon, Sullivan said, promising that the types of advanced weapons headed to Ukraine will be “extraordinary” and “unprecedented,” though he declined to offer specifics

TargusEasting · 09/04/2022 18:22

...promising that the types of advanced weapons headed to Ukraine will be “extraordinary” and “unprecedented,” though he declined to offer specifics.

Wager they're waterproof.

TheABC · 09/04/2022 18:24

Sullivan said, promising that the types of advanced weapons headed to Ukraine will be “extraordinary” and “unprecedented,” though he declined to offer specifics.

I would love this to translate as "we can't be seen to directly help, but we are going to blow the fuckers to kingdom come."

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2022 18:37

Nexta @nexta_tv
Poland freezes relations with Hungary because of position on #Ukraine

This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister for Security Affairs of #Poland Yaroslav Kaczynski.

Usually Poland and Hungary are closely aligned...

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2022 18:40

Phillips P OBrien @phillipspobrien
People trying to score different nationalist points over who is supporting Ukraine more miss the point. Who cares. Sit back and enjoy the competition as it means more and more to help Ukraine. It’s all good.

Plus, and I think we might be missing the big picture here, it means the EU, U.K., USA and Canada are all building a larger political interest in Ukraine winning. That’s a really good thing.

Russia can't afford to lose. But now neither can the West...

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 09/04/2022 18:47

[quote Tillsforthrills]@BringBackCoffeeCreams

How have you turned a discussion that’s largely about the atrocities Russian soldiers are committing against women as a tactic into talking about how this might make us more sympathetic to boat fulls of men refugees leaving women and children behind and escaping?[/quote]
This is a discussion about the war in Ukraine (clue's in the title). Did you miss the news about the Russians murdering ALL the men in some villages? I didn't turn the discussion into anything, I expressed my thoughts in relation to events in Ukraine as they were reported and the discussion continues to be about the war in Ukraine. ALL aspects of it. Not just the ones you want to focus on.

Ijsbear · 09/04/2022 18:54

Russia can't afford to lose. But now neither can the West...

yeah .... it's becoming a proxy war isnt it.

Russia did have to up the ante by making their invasion of Ukraine an act of aggression by the West :/

Autumnwater · 09/04/2022 18:55

See Putin is getting what he wants with other European countries starting to bicker…Poland and France and now apparently Poland and Hungary. This isn’t the time to stop showing a united front even if Hungary are a more Putin friendly country

Wrongkindofovercoat · 09/04/2022 19:22

@fernsandlilies there is a lot of very identifying information in your posts, name and location of the person for a start. Hopefully they will remain safe.

MMBaranova · 09/04/2022 19:29

Before the Russian invasion, British troops (and others?) Were training with the Ukraine military.

Since 2015 really. It is nothing new. The links between UK and Ua are well developed.

What further steps realistically can UK and other countries now take to militarily support Ukraine?

The aid announced today by the UK showed that it is an ongoing process. 120 armoured vehicles, anti-ship Harpoon missiles and so on.

And meanwhile... I had a worrying interaction with the relatives behind the lines today. I'll mull and probably post something later. Those elsewhere remain upbeat.