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Ukraine Invasion: Part 19

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MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:38

Welcome friends, still going

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ChardonnaysPetDragon · 09/04/2022 08:59

Blimey HIlls, trying to source bullet proof vests?

Didn't you start with some meds earlier and have now progressed to bulletproof vests?

Alwayscheerful · 09/04/2022 09:12

@Hillsmakeyoustrong
Can you tell us more about your role and how you are helping, I am sure many of us would like to step up.

Igotjelly · 09/04/2022 09:12

@DrBlackbird

I thought I would be able to keep reading about the war in Ukraine but www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61038811 has broken me.
My DD isn’t far off the age of her eldest and it resonates so deeply. That poor women, and all the others like her. I’m so glad she has access to a psychiatrist. Nothing will bring her husband and daughter back but it’s hopefully a small step on a road to some sore of recovery.
MagicFox · 09/04/2022 09:13

Yes I can't get this out of my head either

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ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 09:13

Please can anyone tell me if either the BBC or Channel 4 has reported on these mass deportations of children and the possible meanings of this?

I dion’t recall seeing anything which spells out what is happening or any mention that war crime investigators are looking into it.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 09/04/2022 09:18

@notimagain yes. Bullet proof vests are not aplenty anywhere according to my friend in the marines.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon I hope so! And yes I guess having been able to help in one area means that I'm now being asked to help with anything and everything.

@RedToothBrush how does a population actually mobilise to do that? I'm not on social media and I've seen nothing of home protests in the news since the invasion began.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 09/04/2022 09:20

@Alwayscheerful I own a care company in the UK with my husband. So far, we have imported over £20,000 of medicine into Odessa for both military and civilians

Alwayscheerful · 09/04/2022 09:21

It was reported by the US embassy in Ukraine.

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Hillsmakeyoustrong · 09/04/2022 09:26

Sorry pressed send too soon.

I have raised this money through approaching like businesses and a just giving page which we closed yesterday. We have also given a significant sum from our own money.

The field kitchen in Kharkiv is very recent. We are sponsoring them £1000 per month to cover their food and fuel costs.

Any help greatly appreciated.

notimagain · 09/04/2022 09:29

@Alwayscheerful

It was reported by the US embassy in Ukraine.
Who say they are "citing the Ukranian foreign ministry"...

The reports at face value sounds horrific (like so much else in this war) but I can perhaps see why some are asking whether the details have been verified by an independent source.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 09:30

@Alwayscheerful
Thank you for the US Embassy report about the children.

I feel upset this has not been reported or discussed more widely.

Lonelycrab · 09/04/2022 09:38

Drblackbird me too😢

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 09/04/2022 09:53

@ScrollingLeaves

Please can anyone tell me if either the BBC or Channel 4 has reported on these mass deportations of children and the possible meanings of this?

I dion’t recall seeing anything which spells out what is happening or any mention that war crime investigators are looking into it.

Maybe it's being verified by news agencies, if found to be true this should be the thing that pushes us over the edge. Time to stop talking, I think we should be flooding Ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons and military who can operate them. Time to push Russian forces out of Ukraine. Like others I've gone from avoid Nuclear MAD/WWIII at all cost to fuck it we can't keep cowering before a mad man who is orchestrating atrocities the like of which we haven't seen in Europe since WWII.
MagicFox · 09/04/2022 10:00

We all feel emotional and angry. We still shouldn't be calling for and normalising world/nuclear war

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FatCatThinCat · 09/04/2022 10:01

I find myself crying every day now as the horrors unfold. But the forced adoption of Ukrainian children has done me in completely. The agony of those children and their families. I think I'd rather die.

Alwayscheerful · 09/04/2022 10:02

The US Embassy in Kyiv posted the report about the children on twitter. Check the twitter feed.

TargusEasting · 09/04/2022 10:11

Sky News - 09/04
Russian forces abandon tanks in hasty withdrawal that may indicate 'collapse of will' - official
A western official has been providing some interesting comments on intelligence from the ground in northern Ukraine.

They said Russian forces had abandoned "a lot" of tanks, vehicles, and artillery in a "hasty" withdrawal.

Vladimir Putin's operations had been "disastrous", the official said, and the abandonment of vehicles may be a sign of a "collapse of the will to fight".

"We can confirm that there are no longer units in northern Ukraine," they told a news conference.

"It has been a pretty hasty withdrawal by Russian forces and there's a lot of Russian equipment which has been abandoned in that hasty withdrawal and that's only going to exacerbate the challenge they have in terms of the refurbishment and reconstitution of their forces as they remove them both into Belarus and into Russia.

"Some of it's kind of unclear as to why it's been abandoned because you might have thought there is some of these vehicles are still usable and you think they would have been able to take and I think there's something around the collapse of morale and the collapse of the will to fight."

This is interesting and has been reported on a couple of other sites, but I cannot find the original source. It is interesting because systematic abandoning of equipment where soldiers disappear into the environment on foot, with light arms only, can be a sign of a collapse in morale. In doing this soldiers are removing themselves from the arena, the fight and the army. Good soldiers do not leave heavy equipment which are often their regimental colours. I suspect this may not be happening in the East/South East but this is a sign to watch out for.

Ijsbear · 09/04/2022 10:14

[quote Hillsmakeyoustrong]@Alwayscheerful I own a care company in the UK with my husband. So far, we have imported over £20,000 of medicine into Odessa for both military and civilians[/quote]
You are .. um. well. Wonderful.

Igotjelly · 09/04/2022 10:15

I’m particularly concerned by the reports of An increase in Ukrainian homelessness in the UK and of hosts expecting sex from refugees. Expected it just think I hoped for better. We’ve only allowed in something like 12000 people and we can’t even keep them safe, it’s sahmeful

DuncinToffee · 09/04/2022 10:24

Some positivity

Illia Ponomarenko

Renovation works are running pretty fast.
They have restored phone and internet communications in Bucha (works okay in much of the city), a temporary river crossing between Kyiv and Irpin is close to ready, 4G connection in central Borodyanka.
The life prevails.

Igotjelly · 09/04/2022 10:27

@DuncinToffee

Some positivity

Illia Ponomarenko

Renovation works are running pretty fast.
They have restored phone and internet communications in Bucha (works okay in much of the city), a temporary river crossing between Kyiv and Irpin is close to ready, 4G connection in central Borodyanka.
The life prevails.

If nothing else I hope that this helps to reconnect those who might have though they’d lost each other.
PaperTyger · 09/04/2022 10:30

Igot

It was strange Idea all around.
I think funding better yha and hotels would have been a safer idea and kept them altogether as well...
The reports all around not Just UK but the borders etc being a field day for sex attacker's just floor me.
Predators everywhere

PaperTyger · 09/04/2022 10:34

Duncin that's remarkable and wonderful.
Again why can't we get charity builders in with peace keepers to help with this!
Get people home!

DuncinToffee · 09/04/2022 10:39

There is also this from Ukraine World, photos in link

Despite all these sufferings, Ukrainians are dreaming about the future. Architects are making models to reconstruct destroyed buildings in Kharkiv. Put ♥️and retweet if you like them
twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1512501037097267201?s=21

Igotjelly · 09/04/2022 10:43

The Ukrainians have shown themselves to have so much heart, I can only imagine that what they build back to will be beautiful and filled with wonderful, hopefully happy, people.

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