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I am terrified of flying and I've agreed to do it.. Which was STUPID

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Electricmouse · 30/03/2022 23:17

I have been petrified of flying since I was a teenager.
'luckily' I have no particular interest in going abroad. I love England, am not interested in travelling anywhere outside of it, I love my minibreaks in the UK, it isn't an issue for me I'm boring I suppose .

I've been with my girlfriend roughly two years.

She had a holiday booked when I met her and wanted to add me onto it but I said no. I did express that I was in a way, wishing I'd have said yes, but in all honesty I was at peace with my decision.

Anyway fast forward to a few months ago and I am persuaded into saying yes to going on holiday for a week with her in September.

Last time this happened different situation and people, I did it, but I did not enjoy it. It was just about bearable but the whole time I half wanted to go home and half was dreading the flight back home. I vowed to never go abroad again, as soon as we touched down in England the relief was indescribable.

The main issue is the flight. I HATE flying. I am terrified of it. I hear about crashes and problems and I can't help but ponder over what an awful death that would be. The whole thing will have me terrified to the point I probably won't be able to speak. Last time I ended up in a panic, sitting in the air hostesses quarters breathing into a handkerchief and almost crying.

If I loved being abroad, I may try to get some sort of treatment for it, or just put up with my phobia, but because I honestly couldn't care less about being abroad, it isn't usually an issue at all. Kind of like being terrified of sharks, not going to be an issue unless for some reason you love swimming in shark infested waters.

But I love her, and I felt it isn't fair and I need to get over myself and go so I stupidly said yes.

Tonight she's been messaging me (we don't live together) as she's booking flights and asking for my input on seating options and airports etc and I panicked. I told her I don't even like to talk about it. At one point I had to drop the phone mid-text and run off as I felt I was going to be sick.

I've made a mistake I know.

The flight is 99% of the issue but if it was somewhere I really wanted to go with her for a romantic and/or interesting experience, I could possibly deal with it, but it isn't, It's an all-inclusive resort with a bunch of her friends and family, who are absolutely lovely people both the adults and the children but.... Well I don't know.

This could become a major issue couldn't it? She likes her cheap holidays abroad. I can't think of anything worse :(

Then again my Dad hates flying and him and my Mum have been together for decades, she goes abroad with other people and leaves him at home so maybe?

I feel so terrible to be even considering letting her down. I'd just repay her all the money and stay at home where I feel safe.

I am a total 'stick in the mud' aren't I. And pathetic.
Help. (Even if to tell me how stupid I've been to agree to this, I know)!

OP posts:
A580Hojas · 31/03/2022 11:21

I think if you have a mental illness (and a severe phobia is a mental illness) then you owe it to everyone affected by it, ie your friends and family, to fight it/overcome it/get treatment and not let it impact negatively on others.

FartSock5000 · 31/03/2022 11:25

Your GP will prescribe Diazepam for you to calm you during the flights and if there is enough time, a CBT referral may help you learn how to redirect irrational fears or just cooe so you arent suffering the physical issues as badly like the nausea, runny tummy, shakes etc.

Your girlfriend also doesn't understand how deeply this affects you. Explain it and if she isnt supportive, she may not be the right girl for you.

HelpMeHiveMind · 31/03/2022 11:28

Fear of flying course made no difference to me whatsoever...I was hysterical on the "end of course" success flight! But a hypnotherapist did actually work if only to take the edge off, coupled with valium.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Cocogreen · 31/03/2022 11:29

I wouldn't agree to it because of your phobia: you'll be miserable.
Do you want to be able to fly?
Would you take medication to do it or get professional help to overcome your phobia?
Or do you never want to leave England ?
Would you go to Europe by plane or boat?
Would you go on an overseas holiday with her ( only her, no family or friends) if you could get there another way?
I think these are questions you need to ask yourself.
It might be that your incompatibility on this matter means long term you're not suited.

ReadyToMoveIt · 31/03/2022 11:32

The crux of the matter is that you’ve said yes to something that you don’t actually want to do. And not just because of a fear of flying… you just don’t want to go. So you have to tell her you don’t want to go.

Margaretmatcher · 31/03/2022 11:41

OP I am also scared of flying and absolutely will never get on a plane ever again. The first time I went abroad I was so terrified of the flight back I could not relax. Your partner really needs to listen and HEAR you. I cannot understand why people dismiss other people's fears with oh just do this once for me. Well sod that please don't get talked into doing anything you don't or cannot do. If your dp does not care enough about you to call you back after you being sick talking about it well I am sorry to but I would definitely be rethinking this relationship. Do not be bullied or coerced it is controlling behaviour

etulosba · 31/03/2022 11:47

I think you need to be honest about the situation and if you really don’t want to travel

I fly but I have managed to travel (go on holiday) all over Europe by car and occasionally by boat, coach or train. There are other transport options that don’t involve flying.

I actually prefer not flying because I regard the journey, passing through towns and villages, as part of the experience. Looking down on them from 30,000 feet isn’t the same at all.

I can sort of relate to the OP because I have the same fear of roller coasters and similar amusement park rides.

Ragwort · 31/03/2022 11:55

Just be honest ... why get in such a drama about it, you don't have to go on holiday with your girlfriend, you don't have to fly and you don't have to enjoy the same sort of holidays. My DH and I holiday separately - he likes busy, active holidays and I am happy lying on a beach - to be honest I don't even want him to come on a beach holiday with me as I know he would be bored and irritable and that would impact on my enjoyment. You don't need to be joined at the hip to your girlfriend - establish healthy boundaries, find some mutual interests but respect each other's independence.

SicParvisMagna · 31/03/2022 12:25

No offence to the OP but being with someone who never wants to leave the UK would be dull as dishwater and a total deal breaker. It makes me sad sometimes when I think how big the world is, and that I would never get to visit even a fraction of it. Having a life partner who just wants to pootle around the UK for all time would drive me potty.
However, there are plenty of holidays you can have abroad that don't require flights. My dad is like you, can not even get on a plane now. He would fly when I was younger and we had a few trips to Spain when I was a preteen but then I didn't fly again until I went away as an 18 year old. My dad hasn't flown since, and never will again. However, we still managed to visit the south of France, Venice, Barcelona. We just drove. Since I have grown up and moved out, my parents have done several cruises which they have loved. There are always options, but it sounds like you've really narrowed your options, and to not even want to go abroad sounds bizarre and a bit closed minded really. Why would you want to visit a UK city, that has an almost identical high street to every other city in the UK with maybe a decent museum or site to visit, when you could hop on a train and be in Paris in 2 hours? Flying is a means to an end. Without it I would never have visited some amazing places!

Sounds like you need to have a frank discussion with your girlfriend, and possibly look if this is fair on either of you to continue the relationship.

purpleboy · 31/03/2022 12:29

Op I hate flying too.
I get anxious about 2 weeks before I'm due to go, feel sick, nightmares, anxiety etc... for me the end destination is the goal and I love it so much I'm willing to put myself through it. But I haven't done long haul for about 20 years. I only fly to Europe.
Next year I'm determined to do the Caribbean, I'm going to book in to do CBT as lots of people I know have said it helped them, I've also signed up to a few websites that help with fear or flying. Lovefly is one id recommend. And I just have to hope it helps.
I've tried diazepam and it didn't help at all.

A lot of my fear stems from lack of control and also I had a pretty bad experience on a flight. I've also survived something terrible most people will never experience, so when people tell me, the chances of crashing are so low etc... it doesn't help at all because they would say the same thing about the incident I went through, yet it did happen even though the chances of that are even lower.

If you really want to try then there are things out there to at least give you a shot and hopefully you'll find something that helps you.

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/03/2022 12:30

ididntevennotice

I disagree with people suggesting getting help. This isn't a problem to you. You don't want to fly and you are not fussed about going abroad. Your GF needs to respect that. It's very simple. Don't be pushed into taking Valium to suit someone else“

This.

There are other nice ways of travelling abroad that don’t involve flying. Usually not as cheap but I don’t think that’s such a bad thing, environmentally. Everyone should be flying less.

ReadyToMoveIt · 31/03/2022 12:58

@MrsSkylerWhite

ididntevennotice

I disagree with people suggesting getting help. This isn't a problem to you. You don't want to fly and you are not fussed about going abroad. Your GF needs to respect that. It's very simple. Don't be pushed into taking Valium to suit someone else“

This.

There are other nice ways of travelling abroad that don’t involve flying. Usually not as cheap but I don’t think that’s such a bad thing, environmentally. Everyone should be flying less.

And that’s fine, but she needs to tell her gf that. Not agree to go and then complain that she doesn’t want to go.
Suzi888 · 31/03/2022 13:03

If this was a woman being pressurised into flying by a male…. Hmm

If you can’t do it then honesty is the best policy! Is it just the flying? Only you don’t sound like you enjoy the holiday side of it either! If her family are going at least she won’t be alone, but I would tell her sooner rather than later.

Eachdaygoesby · 31/03/2022 13:19

I don't think we know the op's sex do we? (Sorry if I have missed it.)

ReadyToMoveIt · 31/03/2022 13:21

@Eachdaygoesby

I don't think we know the op's sex do we? (Sorry if I have missed it.)
No we don’t. I assumed the OP was female for some reason! My advice is the same regardless though. Tell her. Don’t agree to go then complain that you don’t want to go.
SallyWD · 31/03/2022 13:26

I'm terrified of flying too but married a very international person (family all over the world, travels a lot for work with opportunities to take me on some trips) so basically not flying just wasn't an option. All I can say is it gets easier. I'm flying on Monday and have mild butterflies but no sleepless nights like I used to. I get nervous during take off and then generally calm down. Hate turbulence but I know realistically it's extremely unlikely to bring down a modern plane. What helped me was learning more about the mechanisms of planes, understanding how they work and the safety features they have in dangerous situations. I'd say go for it. You'll be fine. The more you do it the less terrifying it seems.

Knittingchamp · 31/03/2022 13:47

OP through not fault of either of you, I don't really think you're compatible. Life is short, don't do stuff that you hate, and find someone who loves what you love.

MuggleMadness · 31/03/2022 21:09

@Electricmouse you asked what I love about flying.

It's hard to say I suppose, my first flight was with my nana (who I adored!!) her & Grandad took me on holiday & it was fabulous fun. The next flight was on a small private plane to Germany, again great fun. We emigrated when I was a child to the other side of the world & I've been back & forth ever since & travelled around Europe a lot (before flying became such a sin!!) when I was young (about 11) we were on a flight into LAX with the most horiffic turbulence, I loved it! I love the feeling of acceleration when they take off (though newer planes aren't as much fun) & the bumpity bump when they land.

As a young child I just wanted to get out & play in the clouds! And despite knowing that's not possible I still want to!

It's statistically far far safer than driving, and I fear being smashed up in a car accident far more than anything happening in a plane.

Your GF sounds uncaring, I'm not surprised you feel 'alone' ☹️

I agree with you about an all inclusive pool holiday not 'travelling' & it not inspiring you to 'get over your fear', it's not much of an incentive!!

(Fine if that's the holiday someone wants, it is a holiday, but it's not travelling)

Only you can decide if she/this holiday is worth the way it will make you feel and the effort involved in trying not to feel like this! (Frankly I love flying & holidays, but I wouldn't choose/be inspired by the planned one).

I understand your fear of flying, I understand you feel more in control on the ground. I don't agree, but I do understand.

If you were my GF & I wanted you to learn to at least tolerate, if not love, flying. I'd be working with you to plan a trip that inspired you to want to give it a go & I'd embrace trains/ferries/etc. (actually I love them too, I just love to travel I think!! 🤣)

Electricmouse · 01/04/2022 05:15

AbsentmindedWoman thank you

verybusyknitter that's just it. Nothing about the whole thing is 'fun' for me at all.

I know she wouldn't do that unfortunately :(

Iminstealthmode she has said she'll do that, I've just a feeling when we get there she won't. We went on a camping trip with her family & friends last year and nobody left the campsite for the whole weekend. I did ask but nobody else wanted to and I'd have felt rude/weird doing it alone.

Perhaps she may mean it this time though, if I don't totally 'chicken out' of course.

Queencarrot I'd love a holiday like that :)

mollyrover I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound like that at all. I get people like things I don't. I don't think her choices are invalid, it just sounds like my worst nightmare. I am sure some things I love aren't to others' taste too.

orlandointhewilderness I did talk to a pilot on here about 10 years ago when I was last persuaded into a flight. It helped in the moment, but made zero difference once I was on the plane. I still panicked and had to take up the air hosts/hostesses' time with it :( my cousin has a pilot's licence too (but small aircraft), again, I know how they work, but it makes no difference. Kind of like people who're terrified of things that are harmless like spiders? Maybe.

nubnamechange I can try that. Thank you. Number 3 resonates so much! I love my own space.

goodnightgrumble she knows this, I am really stupiod to have said yes. I've told her I'm upset about it, I didn't want to go in the first place, but I was persuaded-It's not her fault. I will dread it in the run up to it, 'cope' while there and be terrified all the way there and back :(

hotcrossmocha I love Uk citibreaks and countryside ones.
I would perhaps enjoy it (without the flight) with my own close family or a couple of close friends, but I don't know these people really and I'll find it stressful.

I'd happily visit anywhere without a flight though. The flight really is the main thing.

floofycroissant I didn't organise/plan the UK breaks we've been on, we both did that. I did 'take her' for her birthday to somewhere she really wanted to go that I sorted out, but aside from that it isn't my style of holiday per se, we both chose and organised each one.

My fear is really not snobbish:( It's painful reading that.

I am petrified on flights, panicked, struggle to breathe, cannot speak, tears and almost dumbstruck with fear for the most part on them.I am not sure what a 'snobbish' fear would look like but it sounds like one that could be chosen or turned on and off, this keeps me awake and gives me nightmares, I wish I didn't have it but I do.

They're not planning on going to any beaches. I do love beaches actually.

quartz I'd been on two, aged 15 and 18. I hated both of them and had no desire to go where I were going. But I wasn't petrified. I don't know where it came from at all but by the time I was an adult it was present.

I am fine with other people's driving.

ogorange I hear you :( and yes, it is out of control, no amount of logical telling me I'll be okay works. I am not an unintelligent person, I know how planes work, I know the risks are low-none of that helps.
And yes, she doesn't at all. Told me she'll 'look after me' she can't stop something happening can she.

Thanks, moononaspoon I will make sure I'm not given that.

newbiename no she doesnt understand my fear at all. She's always been abroad a couple of times a year, all her family and friends do it too, never occured to her to even think about the flight other than the practicalities of getting on it.

eachdaygoesby sorry if I was confusing. I guess what I was tryin to say is, if I really had a desire to go somewhere, I'd perhaps be more happy to pay for courses etc and to put myself through it. But I know I'll be fed u[ and anxious all the time I'm there, because I don't enjoy that sort of thing at all. And again not judging her or anyone who enjoys that type of thing. It's just me and people are different, I appreciate that. And I like all sorts of stereotypically boring things!

eachdaygoesby thank you for that long, helpful post :)

I am a bit of a 'control freak' I suppose. Creature of habit-suspected ADHD but never sought a diagnosis. I will read that article, thank you (I am a therapist myself, believe it or not Grin )

I'm not a perfectionist at all but I know that's just an example :)

She doesn't understand and I don't think she ever will. I've tried talking to her about it since we got together more or less, It's always the same 'You'll be fine' 'It's safe' 'It's not a long flight' 'I'll look after you' 'I get sick on flights so I understand' (I'm not travel sick! I'm petrified and there's a BIG difference).

A lot to think about-again I appreciate your input a lot.

readytomoveit (and others) please don't think she's compromised and I've 'dragged' her to things I like to do-We've been to a lot of places together and she's chosen a lot of them, loved all of them-She likes going abroad but she doesn't just like going abroad. I took her to somewhere she'd always wanted to go for her birthday, and all of our trips have been both of our choices apart from ones I've booked as a surprise or that I've known she'd enjoy.

She isn't frustrated either, she's nonplussed, totally nonplussed. To her this is a non-issue, not really something she'll discuss. I understand that I am being unreasonable though.

I will respond to the rest later, I appreciate all the responses, thank you :)

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 01/04/2022 13:12

@Electricmouse

quartz I'd been on two, aged 15 and 18. I hated both of them and had no desire to go where I were going. But I wasn't petrified. I don't know where it came from at all but by the time I was an adult it was present.

It really is key though - flying isnt fun. Personally I really dont see why people would want to fly first class or anything like that because it is an unpleasant means to an end.

What really strikes me in your sentence is that you hated flying - but also HAD NO DESIRE TO GO where the flight was taking you.

What happened on the holiday - particularly when you were 18 and the last time you flew merely hating it. Was there something that happened on this, something traumatic perhaps that then got linked into the idea of flying and created all of this.

Your consistency in mentioning your lack of desire to go to these places again makes me think it is about that rather than flying

Seriously79 · 01/04/2022 13:19

Hypnosis. It's the best £50 I've ever spent!

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 01/04/2022 13:21

I'm terrified of flying too OP, I decided the only way to get over it was full emersion in the flying experience so I decided to be an air hostess for 6 moths (back in the 80's). People used to ask who the terrified looking stewardess was and was the plane about to crash Grin
I was sacked, they said it was obvious I was scared to death.
It didn't allay my fears one bit just made me more phobic.
The only thing that helps if I HAVE to go abriad is beta blockers combined with valium and that works. Ask your GP to let you try it.

SpotALeopard · 01/04/2022 13:23

I’d be wary of following the advice to take Valium - doctors are getting more and more averse to prescribing it and even if they will my experience has been that I can’t get the dosage I used to. Because I got used to having it, I now find the ritual of trying to get a prescription adds to my pre-flight stress. Then, when I do get my 2 x 2mg pills for an 8 hour flight or whatever I stress about whether that will be enough or whether I should go down the alcohol route instead. Neither I find do very much if there’s a lot of turbulence, which is my big fear.

So, not actual advice on what would make this better, I’m afraid but I think it’s worth reminding other fearful flyers not to rely on medication.

(Also, does anyone else suspect there may be a sexist element to this? I’ve met a few blokes recently who have have had 10mg Valium pills dished out for flights despite never taking it before, whereas I know exactly how it affects me and can no longer get a dose that has more than a placebo effect.)

BoodleBug51 · 01/04/2022 13:24

It's perfectly OK to say that you don't like flying.

It's very silly to put yourself in a situation where you have to.

Newgirls · 01/04/2022 13:32

How about Eurostar instead?

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