Should Will loose his Oscar?

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Should we forgive him because it's out of character?

Has his mental heslth taken a turn for the worse because of Jada's infidelity & narcissism?

Is it really never ok to mention a black woman's hair?

Can words really be the same as violence?

So many issues to unpick here!

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Everyone is latching on to him laughing first. Is that not the default position for everyone at those awards. They know they will be made fun of and are ready with their actors laugh. I think it was only when he looked over at Jada that the penny dropped that it was about the medical condition and him remembering what she had been through.

As for work, don't work also protect you from being verbally assaulted? CR would also be escorted from the workplace for his bullying too.

And enough of this misogynistic, conservative accusations towards Jada as somekind of abuser and humiliator of Will. They had agreed on an open marriage, WS said he also slept with other people, and this has nothing to do directly with this night.

There is no way that was staged! As if WS would agree to humiliate himself like that for ratings - he's Hollywood A-list, on the biggest night of his life - no chance!

I agree with the PP, I think the slap looked so performative because he'd realised as he got to CR he was about to fuck up big time but had committed to it at that point - so rather than a punch he changed it to a slap.

I don't think he should lose his Oscar - I think what he did was totally out of order and in a just world he would've been escorted out by security with the police waiting for him, but he got that Oscar for his role, not for being 'nice guy Will Smith'. I also think it would be massively controversial to remove an Oscar from a black actor when so many white men have behaved appallingly and kept theirs.

Unpopular opinion maybe, but I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out he is in an abusive relationship. The dynamic between him and JPS doesn't come across as two people in a healthy, equal relationship. She humiliated him big time by shagging their kids 22 year old mate - then bringing WS to the ridiculously self-indulgent 'red table' to publicly discuss her 'entanglement'. They have made their marriage a joke - Rebel Wilson took the piss out of them too; even the word 'entanglement' - mate you were riding a boy young enough to be your son, own it - entanglement my arse

Their kids are the most miserable kids in showbiz too- the whole family take themselves far too seriously, all this 'King' and 'Queen' nonsense - go away 🙄

@oldwhyno

No, he shouldn't lose his oscar.

Absolutely no way on earth it was staged.

Will Smith is in a long term mental health crisis.

His wife is the knowing architect of his humiliation and a coercive abuser.

What evidence is there to suggest that his wife is a knowing architect of his humiliation and a coercive abuser? This is the type of misogynistic post that annoys me. Will and Jada Smith have an unconventional marriage aka an open marriage . They both sleep with other people. He stays in this marriage because he loves his wife and he is ‘allowed ‘ to sleep with other people. Which is why they have not divorced Jada’s ‘problem’ was that the young man she slept with didn’t ‘keep to the script’ and fell in love with Jada. He then began to talk about said relationship rather than remain discreet. This attracted a lot of attention from the media , which Will obviously had issues with. He has a carefully crafted image of being a good guy and he was upset at the negative publicity . He is not a victim

@lemmein spot on. It's going to be very hard for most of mumsnet to accept it but JPS is a maipulative, coercive abuser. A total narcist adept at gaslighting everyone around her, and utterly fucking up the lives of her children.

This is the type of misogynistic post that annoys me.

And would it be misandrist to surmise about a man being a coercive abuser? Please know I am not a "What About The Menz" type poster but I don't think talking about a woman as a potential abuser is misogynistic. There's patterns of behaviour that people who are familiar with it pick up when observing other people's relationships. I'm no fan of Will Smith, I think he is a one note, over emoter as an actor but he does seem a shadow of the person he used to be. I had a mother who was totally personality disordered and I do see some familiar dynamics here. I also have seen multiple blinds saying he has a substance abuse problem though so who really knows.

@Lampzade The evidence has been all over the internet for years, and now we have this extraordinary incident at the Oscars which is clearly a person with chronic mental health problems snapping.

It's not misogyny, but it is utterly naïve to not even be open to the possibility that it's a case of a psychologically and emotionally abusive relationships where the woman is the abuser.

Look, I am not a fan of either Will Smith or Jada Pinkett Smith. I find her nauseatingly self indulgent and I find him a bit fake. Which is the case for many many of those A list Hollostars
However, I think is naive to ‘blame’ Jada for her husband’s behaviour when their relationship has always been a bit weird and is not a traditional marriage
Will was obviously fine with both of them sleeping with other people. They have been together for over twenty years which is an eternity in Hollyweird.
If Will Smith is a shadow of his normal self it is because he is embarrassed by the negative press attention that his wife’s ‘entanglement’
attracted. He knew that his wife was sleeping with this young man. The young man actually alluded to this. Will was busy sleeping with others and was probably angered that his wife chose the wrong person to sleep with and in doing so trashed Will Smith’s good guy image which he has sought to protect.
What I am actually saying is that both of them are entitled narcissist. However, I feel that jada is being her authentic self , while Will Smith comes across as a bit fake .
Their relationship is obviously a complex one and therefore it is wrong imho to assume that Jada is the villain in this relationship.

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Will and Jada Smith have an unconventional marriage aka an open marriage . They both sleep with other people. He stays in this marriage because he loves his wife and he is ‘allowed ‘ to sleep with other people. Which is why they have not divorced
Jada’s ‘problem’ was that the young man she slept with didn’t ‘keep to the script’ and fell in love with Jada. He then began to talk about said relationship rather than remain discreet.

Do you really believe that? Sounds like PR spin to me - funny how their marriage only became 'open' when Jada was caught shagging her kids mate!

She befriended August when he confided in her about his substance misuse and MH problems, then started an affair. She was a woman in her mid 40s, August was a 22 year old man which Jada herself described as vulnerable. She took advantage of him; it's beyond patronising to infantilise women and suggest they can't behave badly, they can and she did. I'm mid 40s, my kids are older than August was!

Her red table talk with WS was pure self-indulgence, a masterclass in gas-lighting. You can see he is playing along with her narrative but doesn't truly believe it. He laughs at the word entanglement - he quips that he'll 'get her back' It's actually uncomfortable to watch whilst she paints her affair as some sort of soul-enhancing journey in which her, presumably magical vagina, helped heal August -and WS just nods along like an idiot, no wonder Hollywood laughs at them.

At the end of the day none of us really know, only what they choose to put out there, but their body language betrays their words. I'd put money on WS being the victim in that marriage. I agree with the PP, that slap wasn't about CR at all - it was about their sham of a marriage and WS begging for her approval. Embarrassing.

@Lampzade

Hollywood stars

I like Hollostars, I thought it was deliberate!

@lemmein
Ha ha
I considered leaving the Hollostars

@whiteroseredrose No they don't but consistency would be nice. Harvey Weinstein, Woody Allen and numerous other unpleasant characters still have theirs too.

@lemmein

*Will and Jada Smith have an unconventional marriage aka an open marriage . They both sleep with other people. He stays in this marriage because he loves his wife and he is ‘allowed ‘ to sleep with other people. Which is why they have not divorced Jada’s ‘problem’ was that the young man she slept with didn’t ‘keep to the script’ and fell in love with Jada. He then began to talk about said relationship rather than remain discreet.*

Do you really believe that? Sounds like PR spin to me - funny how their marriage only became 'open' when Jada was caught shagging her kids mate!

She befriended August when he confided in her about his substance misuse and MH problems, then started an affair. She was a woman in her mid 40s, August was a 22 year old man which Jada herself described as vulnerable. She took advantage of him; it's beyond patronising to infantilise women and suggest they can't behave badly, they can and she did. I'm mid 40s, my kids are older than August was!

Her red table talk with WS was pure self-indulgence, a masterclass in gas-lighting. You can see he is playing along with her narrative but doesn't truly believe it. He laughs at the word entanglement - he quips that he'll 'get her back' It's actually uncomfortable to watch whilst she paints her affair as some sort of soul-enhancing journey in which her, presumably magical vagina, helped heal August -and WS just nods along like an idiot, no wonder Hollywood laughs at them.

At the end of the day none of us really know, only what they choose to put out there, but their body language betrays their words. I'd put money on WS being the victim in that marriage. I agree with the PP, that slap wasn't about CR at all - it was about their sham of a marriage and WS begging for her approval. Embarrassing.

There have been rumours for years that they had an open marriage. I assumed that many people knew about it. Will is even rumoured to have a long term girlfriend who travels with him when he is filming . Jada has not covered herself in glory , as I saiid previously she is a narcissist. However, it does not mean that she controls or abuses Will. They are both as bad as each other imho

The Academy should really with Weinstein, Allen and Polanski first.

If Will loses his Oscar after the 3 in the previous paragraph then will they move onto every celebrity who has been in a fight, abused their spouse/partner...? The only winners left could be the child actors.

I think he should keep it.
I’m not entirely sure why but I like him more now.