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Ukraine-invasion-part-16

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PestorPeston · 22/03/2022 23:46

Warsaw Russian is letting out a lot of smoke - there has been no decision on who among them will be the next pontiff.

Biden is going there Friday

Is Boris Johnson the designated survivor?

Who the heck let me be in charge?

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TiddyTidTwo · 26/03/2022 21:04

Nothing says regime change like invading a country, murdering thousands of its citizens, sending in mercenaries to kill its president, and kidnapping its politicians and replacing them with ones of your choosing (including that one in Melitopol, who is now apparently blocking the distribution of humanitarian aid that has been sent to the city, with it being given to Russian soldiers or sold off.)

So tired of anything the West or Ukraine says or does being accused of being escalatory or poking the bear when the escalation is all on one side and the bear is already on the rampage*

Damn right and Russia or should I say, Putin has dined out on this. Bidens speech today changed that narrative and we've got to get behind that now

PestorPeston · 26/03/2022 21:09

Multiple reports of Belarusians fighting for Ukraine, against the Russians.
twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1507643950932410375
twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1507778644265086984

Plus Belarusians across Europe joined in the Ukraine Marches today.

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FatCatThinCat · 26/03/2022 21:10

For such a mass murdering, self styled hard man, Putin's quite the snowflake isn't he. Keeps getting upset at a few negative comments thrown his way

TargusEasting · 26/03/2022 21:17

@PestorPeston

Multiple reports of Belarusians fighting for Ukraine, against the Russians. twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1507643950932410375 twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1507778644265086984

Plus Belarusians across Europe joined in the Ukraine Marches today.

That could have a massive effect on Russian soldiers’ morale. Massive.
blueshoes · 26/03/2022 21:18

Targus: That could have a massive effect on Russian soldiers’ morale. Massive.

Why do you say this?

HappyWinter · 26/03/2022 21:24

Targus your imagining of Putin and Lavrov losing their keys has made my day!

Putin100 is a shortlist of financial institutions that support the Russian fossil fuel industry through investments, loans, insurance and other services.

While sanctions are stopping some of the support for Putin's war machine, more is needed, and other financiers still need to take urgent action to help stop the illegal invasion of Ukraine.
putin100.org/

This ties in with climate change action, but shows how interlinked fossil fuels and Putin's regime are and how important it is to change this asap.

PaperTyger · 26/03/2022 21:25

Tiddy he was new to the role and unfortunately said all the wrong things didn't he. The us embassy wouldn't fall like Saigon etc.

Apparently he Also wouldn't listen to advice.

I feel what happened in Kabul was a major reason we're why we are here now.

At the time it was reported to signal the major switch in world powers.

Hopefully he's learned from those mistskes.
I think tonight's speech and more of this quality will keep the wolf from the doors in two year's.

TiddyTidTwo · 26/03/2022 21:26

Ugh on Twitter I'm seeing loads of US citizens shit their pants over bidens speech. Well try being in Europe our most trusted "ally". And I didn't see such weakness over bin laden?? Works both ways, bitches

PaperTyger · 26/03/2022 21:32

Esma I agree.

But it's literally all about nuke's isn't it!

What would we have done with Hitler I wonder?
If he had nuke's how long would we have sat back.

Not only are we cowering ( rightly or wrongly) from provoking the rampaging bear 🐻. We are then actually trying to help him have a ramp off,out of his cornered rat corner Confused

Andouillette · 26/03/2022 21:36

@TiddyTidTwo

Ugh on Twitter I'm seeing loads of US citizens shit their pants over bidens speech. Well try being in Europe our most trusted "ally". And I didn't see such weakness over bin laden?? Works both ways, bitches
Again, very well said! Like others have said, too much more of this don't poke the bear crap and I am going to blow a fuse. Poke away people, poke away!
baroqueandblue · 26/03/2022 21:48

Yeh, poke the bear with "God", but if that's the best you've got, I ain't reassured Confused

holliem91 · 26/03/2022 22:00

I've just watched Biden's speech.

Then I went on twitter to see what was being mentioned about it and I saw this...

"White House walks back multiple Biden remarks during Europe trip on Putin, chemical weapons, troops"

twitter.com/foxnews/status/1507837296036380672?s=21

Why do they do this? Biden does a speech and then it seems to be backtracked?

I'm not for or against it but have seen it happen a few times after Biden's speeches and I don't understand why? Why say something to then say "oh no we didn't mean it like that".

borntobequiet · 26/03/2022 22:04

God is big in US politics, despite not being mentioned in the Constitution. A quick Google brings up this

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/16/8-facts-about-religion-and-government-in-the-united-states/

It would be odd if, in such a speech, Biden did not invoke God. The role of Pope John Paul II in the downfall of Communism is well known, if disputed regarding its extent and details.

Of course Bruce Springsteen played a part as well.
www.bbc.com/culture/article/20130626-how-springsteen-rocked-the-wall

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 26/03/2022 22:05

From the Telegraph:

Chinese oil and gas company cancels $500m investment in Russia
The state-run Sinopec Group realised a senior figure at Sibur was an ally of Vladimir Putin and has therefore decided to press hold on plans.

A Chinese state-run oil and gas company has cancelled half a billion dollars of investment out of Russia to dodge sanctions.
The state-run Sinopec Group hit pause on plans to market Russian gas in China after realising that a senior figure at Russia’s Sibur was a long-term ally of Vladimir Putin.
Gennady Timchenko, an investor and board member at Sibur, had already been sanctioned by the Westt_ and is connected to other billionaires with ties to the Russian president, according to Reuters.
The move marks a hardening in China’s policy towards Russia amid the invasion, with which it has maintained regular trade amid a slew of sanctions by the West.
China has leaned towards Russia in the conflictt_, declining to call out its actions and endorsing its complaints about Nato’s expansion eastward.
But the Chinese government is said to be concerned about facing sanctions itself and is encouraging companies to urr on the side of caution when dealing with Russia.

Since the invasion on Feb 24, China’s largest energy companies have been working to assess the impact on the billions of dollars worth of investment they have in Russia.

PaperTyger · 26/03/2022 22:09

Desdemona how heartening.

WeAreTheHeroes · 26/03/2022 22:11

"In God we trust" is the official motto of the US. I thought it was good that Biden made it clear it's not the Russian people to blame for the invasion.

Shuuu · 26/03/2022 22:19

Can anybody shed some light on the Swedish Air Force flying along the border of Belarus? Does this signify Sweden will soon be joining NATO? I seem to recall them originally saying they don’t want any part of this

WeAreTheHeroes · 26/03/2022 22:35

Yes - Sweden is taking part in exercises with NATO and has been since early March. I've seen Swedish airforce planes over Poland several times this month, along with Italian and Canadian ones plus the regular USAF and RAF planes. www.government.se/press-releases/2022/03/sweden-takes-part-in-joint-expeditionary-force-exercise/

WeAreTheHeroes · 26/03/2022 22:36

I say seen, I mean on Fightradar24 or International Curtain Twitching as my DP calls it.

Sorryfornamechanging · 26/03/2022 22:54

I really can’t get a measure on any of this. So much of it seems to go over my head (details that other posters pick up on and interpret).

Is the feeling that things are looking more positive and less likely to escalate or the other way around (I know no one is an expert here and it’s hard to tell I just wondered what the general feeling is). The china company seems positive but if it’s just because they want to avoid being sanctioned, it doesn’t really mean anything does it? It’s not as though they are picking sides.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 26/03/2022 23:00

@Sorryfornamechanging

I really can’t get a measure on any of this. So much of it seems to go over my head (details that other posters pick up on and interpret).

Is the feeling that things are looking more positive and less likely to escalate or the other way around (I know no one is an expert here and it’s hard to tell I just wondered what the general feeling is). The china company seems positive but if it’s just because they want to avoid being sanctioned, it doesn’t really mean anything does it? It’s not as though they are picking sides.

China is definitely looking out for China here, on the other hand a further $500m NOT invested into Russia should give Putin pause for thought and does indicate that China are starting to 'pick a side'.
Sorryfornamechanging · 26/03/2022 23:02

@DesdamonasHandkerchief that’s true I hadn’t really thought about it like that. I guess if China believes that distancing itself from Russia is the best thing to do for China… then it kind of does force it to pick a side

TheHateIsNotGood · 26/03/2022 23:05

And reminds me of why so many teens turned to punk in the 70s - thought we were all going to die with "No Future" as the idiots in charge of the Superpowers (USA/USSR) argued on and the rest of us could only look on, hoping not everyone in charge wasn't completely intellectually challenged.

Didn't happen. Hopefully it won't. But it might.
Time to Hold onto our Hats again.

Fingers crossed that not everyone in charge is a complete idiot.

Ijsbear · 26/03/2022 23:13

China is coming out from what they call the Century of Humiliation. Pride is central to them. The Century didn't go down well.

Government-wise they are far closer to Russia. Communism and a very top-down ruling style. They think long term.

They are spreading their influence widely through economic means and that is very important to them. But it's not just about money, it's about the culture and there is a deep resentment of the West, going back over a hundred years to the terrible way the British treated them. Imperialism has created wounds that will live for a very long time.

They have achieved incredible things in the last 50 years economically. There is a price to pay, but a huge development has been and is going on.

So intuitively they are closer to Russia with an authoritarian approach, but their most lucrative trade is with the West. They also have their eyes on Taiwan and want to 'reclaim' it, as they believe it is part of their heritage (the little powerhouse of Taiwan was claimed by the people on the losing side of a huge power struggle). So Russia 'claiming' Ukraine gives a degree of legitimacy for China 'reclaiming' Taiwan.

But they did not expect, no one did, the blazing fury of the West's reaction to the invasion of Ukraine, nor the powerful sanctions. So they are trying to balance a good relationship with Russia, a fundamental incompatability with Western political systems and the economics of the whole affair.

So they're flipflopping. The highly-controlled media for the masses in China is pro-Russia. The leadership are more neutral. They give a little in one direction, they give a little in the other. They are trying to balance things and unless there is a definitive statement that they are supporting either one side or the other in the Russia/Ukraine war, I wouldn't take much notice of little bits here or there.

They really want to stay neutral.