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Oh, Nazanin. How dignified you are.

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AnyFucker · 21/03/2022 13:12

Just seen a clip of the press conference she gave. How generous of her to share it with the daughter of a man still trapped in Iran.

How composed and articulate she is. Honestly, with so many fucking idiots in power, how do we keep the faith in the face of what happened to Nazanin.

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eldora · 21/03/2022 22:38

@Blossomtoes

If you are told you are not the nationality you hold a passport for, then it is racist.

It really isn’t. If you told me I wasn’t British it wouldn’t be racist, it would be wrong. We really do need to be a bit more careful before we start slinging accusations of racism around.

It’s both wrong and racist. Telling someone white that they are not British is very different to telling someone brown.

Just because it’s ridiculous doesn’t make it any less racist.

Snoozer11 · 21/03/2022 22:38

I understand she has dual nationality. But she has that because she married a British man.

If a British woman lived in Iran and married an Iranian man, but returned to visit England and was arrested, would we expect Iran to get involved and demand she be released? I doubt it.

I also think it's outrageous that some people on this thread think a state kidnapping a woman is justified simply because they are owed money.

cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:39

@Clavinova

Raab seemed to give a different answer

She should not give succour to the despotic regime that detained our nationals in Iran, or those around the world, by suggesting it is anyone else’s responsibility other than theirs.

Looks the same to me.

Raab answered a different question. Because if you read what Angela Rayner asked, he hasn't answered the question.
cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:40

I also think it's outrageous that some people on this thread think a state kidnapping a woman is justified simply because they are owed money

I could read 300 posts - but do you really think people have said it was ok she was jailed because we owed money to Iran.

Or are you doing a Raab and not reading the posts and just interpreting something in your own mind?

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:41

it's outrageous that some people on this thread think a state kidnapping a woman is justified simply because they are owed money

I don’t think anyone’s said that.

Telling someone white that they are not British is very different to telling someone brown

I disagree. You’re assuming I’m white now …

Clavinova · 21/03/2022 22:41

Because you’re saying her actions (attending a demo) led to her arrest.

No - from the timeline above, that charge came a year after she was sentenced to five years in jail. My point being that Boris Johnson's journalism comment was not the basis for her extra sentence.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:45

@Snoozer11

I understand she has dual nationality. But she has that because she married a British man.

If a British woman lived in Iran and married an Iranian man, but returned to visit England and was arrested, would we expect Iran to get involved and demand she be released? I doubt it.

I also think it's outrageous that some people on this thread think a state kidnapping a woman is justified simply because they are owed money.

Once she became a British national, she became entitled to support from the British foreign office.

To say she is Iranian rejects her rights conferred by the above.

And no one has said her kidnapping was justified.

Rummikub · 21/03/2022 22:46

@JaniieJones

'Back in your box now Janiie. No one is rewriting history on this one, however hard you try.'

I've just watched the clip! I'm not rewriting history she disagreed with Richard and refused to thank the foreign secretary saying how many foreign secretaries did it take to secure her release. Well guess what as many as it would take until the Iranian govt agreed! They are the villains here, not the foreign office.

Till the govt paid the debt owed
Snoozer11 · 21/03/2022 22:46

Well, Britain has now done what it should have done 6 years or even 40 years ago and paid the debt

This is what I was referring to when I said some were justifying Iran's actions.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:46

@Blossomtoes

it's outrageous that some people on this thread think a state kidnapping a woman is justified simply because they are owed money

I don’t think anyone’s said that.

Telling someone white that they are not British is very different to telling someone brown

I disagree. You’re assuming I’m white now …

I didn’t say you are white, I just made a comparison.
eldora · 21/03/2022 22:47

@Snoozer11

Well, Britain has now done what it should have done 6 years or even 40 years ago and paid the debt

This is what I was referring to when I said some were justifying Iran's actions.

How is that justifying Iran’s actions?
cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:49

@Snoozer11

Well, Britain has now done what it should have done 6 years or even 40 years ago and paid the debt

This is what I was referring to when I said some were justifying Iran's actions.

Definitely doing a Raab there.
ssd · 21/03/2022 22:50

What a woman she is.

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:51

@eldora, I said If you told me I wasn’t British it wouldn’t be racist, it would be wrong and your response was Telling someone white that they are not British is very different to telling someone brown.

So what assumption are you making about me?

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:51

@Clavinova

Because you’re saying her actions (attending a demo) led to her arrest.

No - from the timeline above, that charge came a year after she was sentenced to five years in jail. My point being that Boris Johnson's journalism comment was not the basis for her extra sentence.

Wrong, she was then told of another charge after Bojo’s comment. Timeline below:

1 November 2017
Then the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson told a parliamentary select committee that Zaghari-Ratcliffe was “teaching people journalism”. This was then used as evidence that she was engaged in “propaganda against the regime” in an unscheduled court hearing four days later, despite her family maintaining she was on holiday.

21 May 2018
Zaghari-Ratcliffe was told she would likely be convicted on a new charge of spreading propaganda, which she denied.

Clavinova · 21/03/2022 22:53

Raab answered a different question. Because if you read what Angela Rayner asked, he hasn't answered the question.

I think he was referring to Rayner's comment;
whether the lazy comments of the Prime Minister worsened the situation?

It is important to learn from our mistakes so that other innocent families do not face this ordeal again.

Did Angela Rayner criticise Iran at all or just blame the UK? Does she have any tips for the (clearly failing) governments of Sweden, France, Canada, Austria, Germany and the US?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41974185

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:53

[quote Blossomtoes]@eldora, I said If you told me I wasn’t British it wouldn’t be racist, it would be wrong and your response was Telling someone white that they are not British is very different to telling someone brown.

So what assumption are you making about me?[/quote]
If I meant to refer to you, I would have asked you your race.

I was explaining that it’s different being told you’re not British when you’re brown vs when you’re white.

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:55

I don’t think it is. And I think that’s actually quite a racist view in itself. But let’s agree to disagree.

Londoncallingme · 21/03/2022 22:56

@JaniieJones

A bit of gratitude for the foreign secretaries who worked tirelessly to secure her freedom and some condemnation of the Iranian govt who were actually responsible would have been nice.
I kind of agree with this. She spoke well until she was complaining about how long it took the U.K. government to get her back here - it was her homeland of Iran who held her captive, not the U.K.
eldora · 21/03/2022 22:57

If people can’t even acknowledge that it’s more hurtful for a non-white person with British nationality to be accused of not being British then we’ve got a long way to go in race relations.

cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:58

[quote Clavinova]Raab answered a different question. Because if you read what Angela Rayner asked, he hasn't answered the question.

I think he was referring to Rayner's comment;
whether the lazy comments of the Prime Minister worsened the situation?

It is important to learn from our mistakes so that other innocent families do not face this ordeal again.

Did Angela Rayner criticise Iran at all or just blame the UK? Does she have any tips for the (clearly failing) governments of Sweden, France, Canada, Austria, Germany and the US?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41974185[/quote]
At PMQs, she asked the Deputy Prime Minister a question.

Will there be a review?
Did the Prime Minister, when Foreign Secretary, worsen the situation because he failed to engage his brain and spoke without thinking?

That's what PMQs is about. To ask questions.

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:59

@eldora

If people can’t even acknowledge that it’s more hurtful for a non-white person with British nationality to be accused of not being British then we’ve got a long way to go in race relations.
It’s not about being hurt, it’s about being treated differently.
eldora · 21/03/2022 23:01

The same thing Blossom. Being treated differently because you’re brown is hurtful.

a1poshpaws · 21/03/2022 23:03

@JaniieJones

A bit of gratitude for the foreign secretaries who worked tirelessly to secure her freedom and some condemnation of the Iranian govt who were actually responsible would have been nice.
It was one of those foreign secretaries - Boris Johnson - whose woeful inability to fact check before he opened his big mouth and put his foot in it got her jailed in the first place.

She told the Iranians that she was on holiday visiting her parents, but that buffoon spoke to MP's in Westminster, saying "When I look at what Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was doing, she was simply teaching people journalism as I understand it."

Iran's judiciary used Johnson's comments as justification for their belief Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe was not in the country on holiday.

The country's High Council for Human Rights said: "His statement shows that Nazanin had visited the country for anything but a holiday."

WTF should she feel grateful?

Also, it was F-all to do with the foreign secretaries that she's been released. It's because the government now want Iranian oil, so they finally paid the DEBT they have reneged on for the past 6 years.

Snoozer11 · 21/03/2022 23:04

@eldora

If people can’t even acknowledge that it’s more hurtful for a non-white person with British nationality to be accused of not being British then we’ve got a long way to go in race relations.
So it's somehow less hurtful for a white Polish person to hear they're not British than it is for someone who was born in the Middle East?