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Oh, Nazanin. How dignified you are.

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AnyFucker · 21/03/2022 13:12

Just seen a clip of the press conference she gave. How generous of her to share it with the daughter of a man still trapped in Iran.

How composed and articulate she is. Honestly, with so many fucking idiots in power, how do we keep the faith in the face of what happened to Nazanin.

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Clavinova · 21/03/2022 22:07

9 September 2016
Sentenced
Zaghari-Ratcliffe is sentenced to five years in jail. Her husband says the exact charges are still being kept a secret.

That’s from The Guardian.

The Guardian 24 April 2017
Iran’s supreme court has upheld the conviction of a British-Iranian woman sentenced to five years in jail on non-specific charges relating to national security, dashing her hopes of overturning the verdict through legal avenues.

Her husband, Richard Ratcliffe, said...
“I hadn’t had great hopes for the supreme court appeal,”
“Now, realising that that’s it, that all options are gone …^

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/24/british-iranian-woman-jailed-in-tehran-loses-appeal-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe

9 October 2017
A British-Iranian woman serving a five-year jail term in Iran after being accused of trying to orchestrate a “soft overthrow” of the Islamic Republic is facing fresh charges that may lead to an additional 16 years in prison...

Her husband, Richard Ratcliffe, said that at a court hearing on Sunday inside Tehran’s Evin prison, Zaghari-Ratcliffe was told her case had been reopened and she was facing charges including demonstrating outside the Iranian embassy in London, based on a photo found from accessing her private email account.

He said she was also facing charges relating to her work at the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of the news agency of the same name, and her previous work at the BBC.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/09/british-iranian-woman-jailed-in-tehran-faces-new-charges-says-husband

1 November 2017
Boris Johnson's 'teaching journalism' comment.

December 2017
Boris Johnson visits Iran -

Mr Ratcliffe said he felt there was a "change of the tide" since Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson travelled to Iran, as since then a second case against his 37-year-old wife was postponed and then cancelled.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42439701

Fast forward to April 2021 -

Nazanin's case was reopened again -
An Iranian court has sentenced the British-Iranian dual national Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe to a one-year jail term and banned her from leaving the country for a year after...

She was found guilty of spreading propaganda against the regime, the court said, after she attended a demonstration outside the Iranian embassy in 2009 and spoke to a BBC Persian journalist at the gathering.

Her lawyer, Hojjat Kermani, said an appeal was being lodged on the basis that the charges had been laid out of time.

www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/26/iran-sentences-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-to-further-one-year-jail-term

Not blaming Nazanin, but presumably she did actually attend the demonstration?

Why can't the governments of Sweden, France, Canada, Austria, Germany and the US get their dual nationals back?

Who are the dual nationals jailed in Iran?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41974185

Britain aren’t the villains here

Dominic Raab gave a good response to Angela Rayner at PMQs last week;

She [Angela Rayner] should not give succour to the despotic regime that detained our nationals in Iran, or those around the world, by suggesting it is anyone else’s responsibility other than theirs.

cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:15

@Clavinova

Ever thought sometimes of wishing someone well instead of just cutting and pasting the Tory line constantly?

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:16

[quote cakeorwine]@Clavinova

Ever thought sometimes of wishing someone well instead of just cutting and pasting the Tory line constantly?[/quote]
Of course not. That’s not what Central Office pays her for.

Snoozer11 · 21/03/2022 22:16

Funny how Britain and the five foreign secretaries are the villains in this story, and absolutely no blame is laid at the feet of the nation that actually kidnapped and imprisoned her.

It was foolish of her to visit Iran in the first place. Why not meet her family in a neighbouring country? God only knows what the money we've paid might be used for.

Bottom line is she's an Iranian woman who was imprisoned by the Iranian state. It just so happens she married an English man.

bookworm14 · 21/03/2022 22:17

No, she’s a dual national with a British passport! Jesus, this thread.

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:20

God only knows what the money we've paid might be used for.

It wasn’t our money to use. We failed to supply Iran with goods they’d paid £400 million for, it was their money, we owed it to them.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:21

Not blaming Nazanin, but presumably she did actually attend the demonstration?

What are you suggesting, that she was asking for it by attending a demo in London?

Britain aren’t the villains here

Dominic Raab gave a good response to Angela Rayner at PMQs last week;

She [Angela Rayner] should not give succour to the despotic regime that detained our nationals in Iran, or those around the world, by suggesting it is anyone else’s responsibility other than theirs.

Well, Britain has now done what it should have done 6 years or even 40 years ago and paid the debt, so I suspect Raab is not going to be so quick to say it’s not Britain’s responsibility anymore.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:24

@Snoozer11

Funny how Britain and the five foreign secretaries are the villains in this story, and absolutely no blame is laid at the feet of the nation that actually kidnapped and imprisoned her.

It was foolish of her to visit Iran in the first place. Why not meet her family in a neighbouring country? God only knows what the money we've paid might be used for.

Bottom line is she's an Iranian woman who was imprisoned by the Iranian state. It just so happens she married an English man.

And yet another racist post. Nazanin had a British passport but to you and your ilk she is only Iranian, and one who had the temerity to marry an English man and visit her parents in Iran.
Clavinova · 21/03/2022 22:26

Ever thought sometimes of wishing someone well

I do wish her well - and I haven't criticised her - but why does Blossomtoes feel the need to blame Boris Johnson for everything?

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:27

Oh come on. This place has gone crazy with accusations of racism in the last few days. That post was a lot of things - complete ignorance about the situation being the major one - but it was hardly racist.

HRTQueen · 21/03/2022 22:28

Boris Johnson was meant to be negotiating her release and he gave completely false information that was used against her

So he must take some blame for her situation

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:29

@Clavinova

Ever thought sometimes of wishing someone well

I do wish her well - and I haven't criticised her - but why does Blossomtoes feel the need to blame Boris Johnson for everything?

I wonder, Clav, why do I? Why do you feel the need to defend him whatever he does? 😂😂😂😂
cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:30

@Clavinova

This is actually what was said in PMQs. Raab seemed to give a different answer

Can I start by wholeheartedly welcoming the positive steps towards returning Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and Anoosheh Ashoori to the UK? I am sure Members across the House want to show their support for their families and them.

I know the Deputy Prime Minister would agree that this devastating situation must never be repeated, and other British nationals still trapped in Iran need to be brought home.
So will he commit to a review of these cases to understand what more could have been done by the British Government to secure releases and whether the lazy comments of the Prime Minister worsened the situation?

The Deputy Prime Minister

I should first say that I cannot yet confirm the reports we have seen in the media, but of course it feels like positive signs. No one wants more than me—although I am sure all Members of the House want this—to see Nazanin and all the arbitrarily detained nationals reunited with their loved ones.

I can tell the right hon. Lady, having worked for two years with the concerted diplomatic effort led by the Prime Minister, that we have done absolutely everything that we can.

She should not give succour to the despotic regime that detained our nationals in Iran, or those around the world, by suggesting it is anyone else’s responsibility other than theirs.

Angela Rayner

t is exactly for that reason that I asked for the review. It is important to learn from our mistakes so that other innocent families do not face this ordeal again. I hope that the Deputy Prime Minister will consider my comments

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So do you think she was right to ask for a review into what more could have been done?

It seems that a former Tory Minister, Alistair Burt, is also asking questions to see if more could have been done to ensure the debt was repaid.

www.theguardian.com/news/2022/mar/21/former-tory-minister-urges-inquiry-into-why-debt-owed-to-iran-went-unpaid

The Iranians should not have held her hostage.
It also seems that the British Government may not have made as much effort as it could have done to pay the debt.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:31

@Blossomtoes

Oh come on. This place has gone crazy with accusations of racism in the last few days. That post was a lot of things - complete ignorance about the situation being the major one - but it was hardly racist.
Denying someone is British is racist though?
Clavinova · 21/03/2022 22:32

What are you suggesting, that she was asking for it by attending a demo in London?

Not at all - why would I post a quote blaming Iran's despotic regime if I were?

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:32

It’s not really. It’s just stupid.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:33

@Blossomtoes

It’s not really. It’s just stupid.
It’s stupid as well as racist. If you are told you are not the nationality you hold a passport for, then it is racist.
Snoozer11 · 21/03/2022 22:33

@eldora That's not what I said.

Shuuu · 21/03/2022 22:34

Boris Johnson made this 100x worse. Claiming she was a journalist which is a crime in Iran. Absolutely ridiculous!

We didn’t pay in ££ we paid in aid. Food, medicine etc. we cannot pay ££ due to sanctions placed on them by the USA

GlomOfNit · 21/03/2022 22:34

[quote Yeahthat]@Papayamya

Yes it's an extraordinary level of entitlement. "I'm going to go to an authoritarian country with draconian laws, which recently imprisoned people involved in similar programmes as I am for 11 years. I'll go there using my dual nationality of that country therefore being seen as a subject of theirs. It will then be up to the British government to pay £400 million to fix that mistake for me if anything goes wrong."[/quote]
What an appalling, disgusting take. How is it 'entitled' to pay a visit to close family in your own country?

Britain were in debt - maybe to a country whose regime they no longer supported but it was an unpaid debt nonetheless. Perhaps you should educate yourself about the extent to which Britain has interfered, manipulated and exploited Iran/Persia over the last one hundred years or so? We have very dirty hands. The regime is appalling but we're not blameless.

eldora · 21/03/2022 22:35

@Clavinova

What are you suggesting, that she was asking for it by attending a demo in London?

Not at all - why would I post a quote blaming Iran's despotic regime if I were?

Because you’re saying her actions (attending a demo) led to her arrest.
Clavinova · 21/03/2022 22:35

Raab seemed to give a different answer

She should not give succour to the despotic regime that detained our nationals in Iran, or those around the world, by suggesting it is anyone else’s responsibility other than theirs.

Looks the same to me.

Blossomtoes · 21/03/2022 22:36

If you are told you are not the nationality you hold a passport for, then it is racist.

It really isn’t. If you told me I wasn’t British it wouldn’t be racist, it would be wrong. We really do need to be a bit more careful before we start slinging accusations of racism around.

cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:36

Basically in PMQs, Angela Rayner asked for a review of what happened to make sure it didn't happen again.

Raab just heard something different and said "Blame Iran. We aren't going to look into anything we did"

Of course, if a Tory MP had asked if there should be an inquiry, the response would have been different.

cakeorwine · 21/03/2022 22:37

@Clavinova

Raab seemed to give a different answer

She should not give succour to the despotic regime that detained our nationals in Iran, or those around the world, by suggesting it is anyone else’s responsibility other than theirs.

Looks the same to me.

Do you think the British Government have any questions to answer over what happened in this case?
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