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Ijsbear · 19/03/2022 10:08

I wish Merkel would get involved too.

Why aren't there more attacks on Odessa? Is everything concentrating on Mariupol at the moment?

I rather wonder if Putin would settle for a large corridor to the East of the Dneiper. (I imagine Zelensky would quite rightly refuse to give up anything though).

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:09

The peace keeping mission should also head to Nuclear sites and demand instantly they are given over to peace troops and nuclear security people.

Alexandra2001 · 19/03/2022 10:10

No European country is going to go into Ukraine on a peace keeping mission, to be safe from attack and be able to respond to an attack, the numbers involved would need to be in the 10s of 1000s, supply lines set up, troop rotations, a no fly zone, warships in the black sea.

Lviv to Mariupol is almost 1000 miles!

this is cloud cuckoo thinking.

If Putin wishes to help those in Mariupol, he can have a 48hr cease fire, its simply a phone call away to his equally murderous forces.

MarshaBradyo · 19/03/2022 10:11

@notimagain

In the current context (events on the ground in the last few days) IMHO the idea anybody, let alone a NATO power, can go into the Ukraine and force a cease fire/act as an enforcer of the peace is fanciful…

It may happen when both sides have realised they have no more to gain by fighting, and we are not there yet…

I think fanciful is the right word here too

PestorPeston · 19/03/2022 10:12

Good News Post
twitter.com/RailDeliveryGrp/status/1504847509297975296

Britain’s train operators will provide free onward travel for Ukrainian arrivals in the UK.

shreddednips · 19/03/2022 10:15

@notimagain

In the current context (events on the ground in the last few days) IMHO the idea anybody, let alone a NATO power, can go into the Ukraine and force a cease fire/act as an enforcer of the peace is fanciful…

It may happen when both sides have realised they have no more to gain by fighting, and we are not there yet…

Yes I agree. I think it's quite an interesting discussion in terms of understanding how article 5 works, but i can't see it happening.

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:16

SOS

If anyone is on twitter or other sm that's got a wide audience spread the news that human trafficking is happening.
They makes friends on Facebook or sm, track them to the border then snatch them.
Please help raise awareness for refugees.

Get the message out.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/03/2022 10:19

This morning on the World Service radio there was an American speaking who said he thought it had been a mistake for NATO not to have created a protective no fly zone over Ukraine before Russia invaded their territory. He asked what could Russia have said? You can’t do that because we want to attack? ( My paraphrase.) He said he felt we were being reactive rather than proactive which was a mistake. Unfortunately I missed his name. Did anyone else hear?

I thought perhaps his approach might coincide in some way with the suggestions I have just been reading here about a peace keeping mission.

Onceuponatimeinalandfaraway · 19/03/2022 10:20

pointing out, people you hear on the radio or tv may be more expert than many of us but most of them are not actually currently involved in any way. What they say is also only opinion. I am sure there are lots of discussions and debates going on among the people who do have to weigh the decisions up.

LBC have interviewed a few Ukrainian MPs this week. They represent the Ukrainian people. What they want, why they are fighting is worth hearing.

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:21

On the flip side.

What is the word to describe people trapped under rubble in the theatre? With hand to hand fighting all around them?

Slow death? Fanciful?

It's really sad and in no way including posters because we all know the difficulty here but isn't that sad.

We have the man power, superior, the arms, superior, everything to go in and save those people under the theatre but it's fanciful to suggest it.
When Putin has hired ruthless fighters to Keep those people stuck under ground with fighting all around them.

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:24

Scrolling I agree.

I think as soon as Putin's put one tank on that border then UN peacekeeping should have put a peace tank to face it.
Always reactive.
Which is why I think some" gentle" push back is needed.

Ages ago interesting Man said should have gone in to protect the nuclear site's. A ways to get boots in.

Original poster

MagicFox · 19/03/2022 10:28

"Putin needs a revised theory of victory that excludes the capture of Kyiv"

www.smh.com.au/national/putin-needs-a-revised-theory-of-victory-that-excludes-the-capture-of-kyiv-20220317-p5a5j3.html

OP posts:

Alexandra2001 · 19/03/2022 10:28

@PaperTyger any force needs the US doing the bulk of it and would be viewed as an attacking army by the Russians.

There is no such force in place and would take many weeks to assemble.

If we wont have a NFZ, i doubt very much we would invade Ukraine.

Where as we could pull our finger out and give Ukraine the missile systems and planes to defend itself very quickly.

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:32

@Alexandra2001

Have you missed all today's posts about Denmark and Poland.?

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:33

@Alexandra2001
And peace mission being the operation , not "invasion"?

PestorPeston · 19/03/2022 10:33

17 hours ago there were reports that 130 people had got out of the theatre alive. Hundreds were still trapped.

Ijsbear · 19/03/2022 10:37

Without water, it'll be a slow death for them in the theater, I imagine. With hand to hand fighting in the streets it will be impossible atm to work to get them free.

Igotjelly · 19/03/2022 10:38

Does anyone else struggle to believe Russia’s claims of successfully using a hypersonic missile, has the faint whiff of bullshit about it…

Ijsbear · 19/03/2022 10:38

eh, not the most helpful post of mine, that. Sorry.

Snorkelface · 19/03/2022 10:39

[quote PaperTyger]@Alexandra2001

Have you missed all today's posts about Denmark and Poland.?[/quote]
But the pots about Denmark and Poland are about a idea being proposed to NATO, which would involve the US at a proposal level, and realistically couldn't achieve much without full involvement of NATO if it was meant to be a country wide mission of any kind. It doesn't matter what it might be called, Putin will give it a name of his choice. Perhaps the proposal might lead to something supportive near European borders, beyond that I can't imagine much happening.

Alexandra2001 · 19/03/2022 10:41

[quote PaperTyger]@Alexandra2001

Have you missed all today's posts about Denmark and Poland.?[/quote]
No i have not missed them or in the wider news, but it isn't going to happen.... neither of those countries have the means to go into Ukraine.

In what world does Denmark etc have the means to manage a 1000 mile supply line? operate a NFZ? then rescue 100s of '000s of people!

You don't appear to realise that unless Russia agrees, it is an invasion.

Igotjelly · 19/03/2022 10:42

Yeh Poland and Denmark aren’t proposing going it alone, they’re bringing a proposal of a NATO peacekeeping mission to a meeting of the Security Council.

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:42

Still lead at the moment by Poland etc Denmark as those countries peace keeping

Alexandra2001 · 19/03/2022 10:43

It has since been suggested (Peace keeping) by Poland’s defence minister at a meeting with his counterparts from other NATO countries, who responded “with interest”. But there has been little support from countries including the United States and Germany as well as the NATO secretary general

PaperTyger · 19/03/2022 10:45

@Alexandra2001

Yes that's right.
As I keep repeating, it looks like a break away of individual countries going in as a peaceful mission.
Poland, Denmark etc.