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Ukrainian invasion part 13

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Alexandra2001 · 15/03/2022 07:40

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RedToothBrush · 16/03/2022 21:07

@AgnesWestern

Is it worth setting up a different thread for those of us with bad anxiety about this? To share how we feel but also share positive news stories when they come up?

Just an idea.

But still check back on this one too for the informative posts.

Maybe just switch off the internet or tv and stop feeding it with any information about the war at all.

To be blunt: If you are looking for 'good news' about a war, to stop your anxiety about war, by looking at threads about war, you might want to reflect on what war is.

Cos its war.

MarshaBradyo · 16/03/2022 21:08

Agnes and Elephant if you want to do that totally up to you, but if you’d like to stay for any reason you’re welcome to be here of course (imo I’ve appreciated your posts even though I know you’ve found it tough at times)

PestorPeston · 16/03/2022 21:11

This map (original from the Daily Fail) caught my eye this morning. Add in the interesting petrocurrency situation. Also people's disbelief that India and Pakistan are not forever indebted to us for being colonised.

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Wrongkindofovercoat · 16/03/2022 21:11

Has anyone actually seen any confirmation that Roman is in Russia, popped up in a photo shoot involving an incredibly long table, that sort of thing ?

@RedToothBrush that article you linked to is truly heartbreaking.

elephantmarchingin · 16/03/2022 21:11

@RedToothBrush @MarshaBradyo to confirm mine was just for mental health support which I think is important. That is all

Not so much the 'good things' as there aren't any of those!!

RedToothBrush · 16/03/2022 21:12

Dan Lamothe @DanLamothe
A background briefing about the Russian war on Ukraine with a senior U.S. defense official has just concluded.

It’s Day 21 of the invasion, and there are a few significant updates:

First, the Pentagon assesses today that Russian warships are now shelling areas around Odessa, a major port city in southwestern Ukraine.

Other naval activity also has increased, with Russian landing craft moving around but not going ashore, the senior defense official said.

It’s still unclear if Russia will attempt an amphibious landing on or near Odessa. Russia launched one amphibious landing farther east early in the landing, but it was small and on an uncontested shoreline, the senior defense official said.

For the first time, the Pentagon assesses Wednesday that Russia is discussing sending “replacement troops” to backfill for combat losses. It sees no indications yet that any have moved yet, the senior defense official said. Open-source reports suggest that some already may have.

On weapons deliveries: The Pentagon declines to say what drones it is delivering but calls them “tactical” in nature

Knowing that many tactical drones are single-use and kamikaze in nature, I asked if it’s possible more could be delivered in rolling fashion, like Javelin missiles are.

“I wouldn’t rule it out,” the senior defense official said.

Advance north of Kyiv is still stalled. Cities that were isolated still are. Ukraine is still in control of Brovary, a town to Kyiv’s east where fierce fighting has occurred, senior defense official says.

More than 980 Russian missiles have been launched since the war begin, the senior defense official says. That number continues to climb by several dozen per day.

It’s “safe to assume” that @SecDef will be asking Slovakian and Bulgarian officials this week what Soviet/Russian systems they may be willing to provide to Ukraine, the senior defense official says.

Some countries may have concerns about giving their own systems away, he adds

[RTB: But hell its all about why we can't send them MiGs.... ]

“I know that everyone is focused on the S-300, but there are lots of different air-defense systems” that could be provided to Ukraine, senior defense official says, declining to name them.

No appreciable change in how much Ukraine and Russia are flying in the war, senior defense official says.

To date, Ukraine is flying a handful of sorties per day and Russia has been flying about 200, though some do not cross into Ukrainian airspace.

Finally: Two reporters raised the lack of media access to U.S. military units deployed in eastern Europe in response to Russia's buildup and invasion of Ukraine.

Senior defense official says "I appreciate the question," but that he has no change in media posture to share.

Footnote there: A couple of journalists did briefly visit U.S. troops in eastern Europe countries recently while traveling with Gen. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Nothing any longer than that in duration has materialized so far.

elephantmarchingin · 16/03/2022 21:15

@RedToothBrush

AFP News Agency *@AFP* #UPDATE W.House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Biden was "speaking from his heart" when he called Putin a "war criminal," and that the US State Department has an ongoing "legal process"

She added that Biden was reacting to images of Putin's "barbaric actions"

Oh dear god, now the US are fucking apologising for calling for Biden calling Putin a war criminal.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Could this be for deescalation (thinking the hotline has been in use!)
LaDoIceVita · 16/03/2022 21:16

@ScrollingLeaves

Can anyone here answer this question which I am puzzled by which is this: if by any chance Russia had invaded Poland, would it not have been just as impossible for NATO to implement a NFZ because of the risk of escalation?

This is just a general question, not rhetoric or sarcasm.

I think Poland is a bad choice for your question. I'm reasonably certain NATO states would honour the treaty. However, if it were Latvia, Estonia or some of the other small states we could well be listening to 'Yeah, but ... nukes'. If that happens, someone can call the Kremlin and ask if Putin would like the world as it is or gift wrapped.
MarshaBradyo · 16/03/2022 21:20

Can anyone here answer this question which I am puzzled by which is this: if by any chance Russia had invaded Poland, would it not have been just as impossible for NATO to implement a NFZ because of the risk of escalation?

NATO would act in this case due to article 5

holliem91 · 16/03/2022 21:20

I don't want to derail these threads in anyway whatsoever. I like to be on these threads as lots of you are very intelligent and understand all the complicated stuff. I find being informed better for my anxiety but at the same time I do avoid news articles as much as poss as a lot of the headlines are fear inducing so I find being on here much more balanced and rational. I try to contribute every now and then with updates etc but I don't have half the knowledge some have. I hope this is ok.

Maybe I will just read from now on and not actually comment.

Igotjelly · 16/03/2022 21:20

@elephantmarchingin I think it was in response to a journalist’s question and following the Kremlin’s public statement on the matter.

Let’s never forget Biden once told Putin he thinks he has no soul…

Igotjelly · 16/03/2022 21:22

I must say this is one of the worst deep fakes I’ve ever seen 😂😂

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RedToothBrush · 16/03/2022 21:22

@Wrongkindofovercoat

Has anyone actually seen any confirmation that Roman is in Russia, popped up in a photo shoot involving an incredibly long table, that sort of thing ?

@RedToothBrush that article you linked to is truly heartbreaking.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/abramovich-flies-into-moscow-more-oligarch-assets-are-seized-spain-2022-03-15/ Abramovich flies into Moscow as yachts are seized and caviar banned in hit to Russia's rich Time stamped: March 15, 2022 7:02 PM GMT So yesterday evening.

Hümeyra Pamuk @humeyra_pamuk (Reuters)
Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich jetted into Moscow on Tuesday after taking off from Istanbul in his private jet -- second such trip the plane linked to the oligarch has made between the Turkish city and the Russian capital in the past three days.

He's been shuttling between Moscow and Istanbul and Tel Aviv apparently.

No further updates today or information about the nature of these trips.

PestorPeston · 16/03/2022 21:23

Something weird may be happening in Belarus
twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1504200509481173006

Might just be more noise and distraction, but has hit a few blue tick accounts.
Mutterings of a coup may be rather premature.

elephantmarchingin · 16/03/2022 21:24

@Igotjelly Biden is on a roll of things that are very true! If anything sums up putin it is a war criminal with no soul!

AgnesWestern · 16/03/2022 21:25

When I said ‘positive’ I know it’s a war and there’s not much good news in it, but it helps me to see some signs of peace talks for example, but I’ll probably do what others are saying and read the thread but not contribute as much, I’ll post in the mental health sub forum instead.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 16/03/2022 21:26

@RedToothBrush he has or his private jet has ? That's what I mean't when I asked if anyone had seen him, in the flesh ?

Igotjelly · 16/03/2022 21:30

Re Belarus maybe that’s why the Belarusians joining the Russians in Ukraine never materialised as expected.

shreddednips · 16/03/2022 21:31

@PestorPeston

Something weird may be happening in Belarus twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1504200509481173006

Might just be more noise and distraction, but has hit a few blue tick accounts.
Mutterings of a coup may be rather premature.

Or a false flag attack to get Belarus to provide military support?
Satsumaeater · 16/03/2022 21:33

People are trying to say that the bangs people are hearing in Belarus are sonic booms. I mean - really? I am sure people know what a sonic boom sounds like - fighter jets often cause it (and many of us here are familiar with it from Concorde).

It's clearly something else (not sure what at this stage).

meditrina · 16/03/2022 21:34

However, if it were Latvia, Estonia or some of the other small states we could well be listening to 'Yeah, but ... nukes'. If that happens, someone can call the Kremlin and ask if Putin would like the world as it is or gift wrapped

That would mean the end of NATO as we know it.

If the founding principle of 'an attack on one is an attack on' is lost, then little remains. It wouldn't be a mutual defence pact. Instead just another coalition. One that is considerably less powerful.

Igotjelly · 16/03/2022 21:34

mobile.twitter.com/NewsfeedUkraine/status/1504207201237409801

Just military exercises.

MarshaBradyo · 16/03/2022 21:35

@meditrina

However, if it were Latvia, Estonia or some of the other small states we could well be listening to 'Yeah, but ... nukes'. If that happens, someone can call the Kremlin and ask if Putin would like the world as it is or gift wrapped

That would mean the end of NATO as we know it.

If the founding principle of 'an attack on one is an attack on' is lost, then little remains. It wouldn't be a mutual defence pact. Instead just another coalition. One that is considerably less powerful.

Good point
Wrongkindofovercoat · 16/03/2022 21:37

@Satsumaeater I have only ever heard a sonic boom once, and because I didn't know what it was, it did sound like an explosion. I live somewhere where we get a lot of military planes exercising, but there are certain rules when it comes to sonic boom and military aircraft so never heard one during routine exercises.

RedToothBrush · 16/03/2022 21:38

[quote Wrongkindofovercoat]@RedToothBrush he has or his private jet has ? That's what I mean't when I asked if anyone had seen him, in the flesh ?[/quote]
The reuters article said him. Not just his plane. But there's no evidence given in it.

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