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Govt gives up on covid catch-up for kids and hopes you don't notice

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noblegiraffe · 12/03/2022 12:35

After the guy they specifically hired to come up with a covid catch-up plan for children resigned when the government said they weren't willing to spend the amount of money needed (£15 billion) and instead only about £3 billion, they said that the focus of the catch-up would be tutoring.

They then gave the tutoring contract to a Dutch HR firm because they bid the lowest (much better bids from experienced companies were rejected). This has turned into a slow-motion car crash where schools couldn't access tutors, websites didn't work, tutors couldn't be found.

The govt have now abandoned that and said that the tutoring money (£65 million, not billions) will be given directly to schools to source and fund their own tutors instead.

However, at the same time, targets have been dropped or watered down:

Tutors used to have to be graduates or qualified teachers. Now they merely need A-levels.

Group sizes were max 3, this is now max 6 pupils.

A requirement that 65% of targeted pupils were disadvantaged pupils has been ditched.

A thread on MN about whether children were recovering education-wise discussed how academically children seem to be ok, but socially and emotionally are still affected. (As this is MN, children of MNettters are more likely to be advantaged where the data shows that it's disadvantaged children most hit educationally, so they may have a false impression of the widespread educational impact.) However, as the sole govt focus was on educational catch-up (which has now basically fizzled out), there is no extra support for helping children emotionally or socially beyond that which schools can cobble together themselves with their limited resources. That's why the advisor resigned - he wanted a full package of support for children, physically, socially and educationally, and the lack of that is now becoming obvious.

In addition, CAMHS has basically collapsed, so there is very little professional mental health support available for children, and long, long waiting lists for those who meet the incredibly high threshold for referral.

Schools have just gone through an extremely difficult term, covid-wise. There has been massive staff and pupil absence. Far from being places of covid catch-up, many schools have struggled to staff the basic timetable, and pupils have had lack of consistency with supply staff. Exam classes have been left without specialist teaching. Despite schools now being provided with funding for tutoring, the idea that in maths we could actually find any tutors is challenging. We did have some timetabled intervention, but those teachers had to be redeployed to actual teaching because of staff absence.

Why aren't the government worried that they'll get found out?

Who is measuring the social and emotional well-being of children in a way that will actually have an impact on government policy? Parents seem remarkably reluctant to hold the government to account for their failings here.

What about exam results? Well, exam grades are decided in advance by the government. We know for a fact that pupils sitting GCSEs and A-levels this summer will come out with good results overall, because this has already been decided, regardless of their actual performance in the exams. So the public will see the exam results and figure that everything must be ok in schools because the kids are doing well in their exams. It's not ok, and don't be fooled.

This government still don't give a shit about your kids, or their education.

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noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:48

The fact, Marsha that you think you're an expert on "my threads" to the point where you think that you can pontificate about who reads them because you read a few in the covid section.

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:48

@toomuchlaundry

Do you think schools would have been fine being kept completely open the whole time? Do you think we would all have been fine if schools had been kept open, hospitals, healthcare etc, as schools were closed to help reduce the spread of the virus. If more family members had been seriously ill whether with COVID or not being able to be treated for other illnesses would that have been ok for children’s mental health?
We should have used summer 2020 to get all dc back as hospitalisation was pretty much flat. The objective was not to overwhelm healthcare and we were no where near.

We should have recognised that closing the schools is not ‘for a few weeks’ as stated early Jan 21 and made better decisions based on the reality of the length of time out.

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 18:49

MarshaBradyo
It concerned me earlier on in the pandemic and I thought it a great shame that views on keeping schools open was met with derision rather than debate.

Yes I agree, but anyone that came up with any solution other than 'just keep them open' (which would not have worked) was met with derision rather than debate and often told that they were trying to keep schools closed.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:49

The problem is, there aren’t solutions, Giraffe

Don't be daft.

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:50

@noblegiraffe

The fact, Marsha that you think you're an expert on "my threads" to the point where you think that you can pontificate about who reads them because you read a few in the covid section.
Again this is utter rubbish and you are scraping around for insults.

Most of the time it’s teachers posting, because they become echo chambers.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:51

don’t be daft

You think Boris and co will change?

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:52

Marsha, you have been on barely any of my threads.

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toomuchlaundry · 14/03/2022 18:53

But does that mean people shouldn’t say anything about school funding? I can remember threads early on in the pandemic where some posters were asking why schools couldn’t just get a few portacabins on the playground to help with social distancing, just recruit more teachers so you could have more classes. Thought teachers were being obstructive when they said they couldn’t open windows to increase ventilation. Told them they should just get them fixed or replaced. Many parents don’t realise the perilous state schools are in, were in even before COVID. How bad teacher retention is. Many schools don’t have budgets for books, a basic fundamental you would have thought for schools!

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 18:55

MarshaBradyo

We should have recognised that closing the schools is not ‘for a few weeks’ as stated early Jan 21 and made better decisions based on the reality of the length of time out.

You mean like putting better mitigations in schools that would have allowed them to stay open and kept the pupils and staff relatively healthy?

If only a group of people had argued for this and not been met with derision and scorn.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:58

@noblegiraffe

Marsha, you have been on barely any of my threads.
I have no idea if the criticism now is that I am on one of your threads or not enough

But in the Covid section I stopped posting on them due to the aggression. As I said I’d look at times and see some poor other poster getting a hounding. Maybe at the beginning of the pandemic I’d post but towards the end I thought fuck that who needs that kind of aggression.

So if you wanted to reach parents not teachers and ‘let them know’ I think you created echo chambers where you all managed to dissuade those who did not agree from posting.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:59

@toomuchlaundry I think people can say what they like, but I just don’t think there’s anything to be gained by saying things that have been said a thousand times before and not gone well then.

What I personally dislike is responsibility for this being laid at my door. It has nothing to do with me.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:59

I have no idea if the criticism now is that I am on one of your threads or not enough

I'm not criticising, I'm commenting that you actually are speaking from a position of ignorance when trying to tell me who reads or doesn't read my threads.

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Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 19:00

if you wanted to reach parents not teachers and ‘let them know’ I think you created echo chambers where you all managed to dissuade those who did not agree from posting

I agree

I also think it comes across as a bit obsessive tbh.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 19:02

Again, people derailing the thread to talk about me rather than the OP. It comes across as a bit obsessive, tbh.

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FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 19:03

noblegiraffe

And quite bizarrely it creates something like an aggressive echo chamber.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 19:05

If I’d started dozens of threads about you last year Giraffe that would be a fair point, but I didn’t (and wouldn’t.)

However, you can’t realistically expect that if you’re rude, abrasive, insulting, heckling and snide toward those expressing a different viewpoint that posters won’t respond in kind.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 19:06

It doesn’t have to be the op. It’s the general approach to the education on the Covid boards where this group of posters tried to shut down discussion.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 19:07

🎶 It's all about me....it's all about me, baby. 🎶

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 19:08

However, you can’t realistically expect that if you’re rude, abrasive, insulting, heckling and snide toward those expressing a different viewpoint that posters won’t respond in kind.

This was the experience for those with a different view.

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 19:20

Cherrycrush

However, you can’t realistically expect that if you’re rude, abrasive, insulting, heckling and snide toward those expressing a different viewpoint that posters won’t respond in kind.

Surely that goes for all posters?

CallmeHendricks · 14/03/2022 19:25

"However, you can’t realistically expect that if you’re rude, abrasive, insulting, heckling and snide toward those expressing a different viewpoint that posters won’t respond in kind."

I've seen @noblegiraffe on many, many threads over the years, both since Covid and way before, and I simply do not recognise those accusations. And you're now attempting to de-rail this thread too, whilst blaming her (and others) for it.
This is exactly the problem we've had over and over for the last two years and is why so few teachers are still on here. We've been "hounded off" to somewhere else, so well done, Marsha and co.
And Marsha, for someone who claims to have been hounded off yourself, you seem to turn up on a remarkable number of threads with your opinions still.

Anyway, could we please return this thread to the question in the OP about Covid catch-up for children in school?

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 19:26

Of course and that’s why I go back to my point that these threads help no one. Both sides feel aggrieved, insulted, not listened to, mocked and hounded.

Sherrystrull · 14/03/2022 19:27

@Cherrycrush

If I’d started dozens of threads about you last year Giraffe that would be a fair point, but I didn’t (and wouldn’t.)

However, you can’t realistically expect that if you’re rude, abrasive, insulting, heckling and snide toward those expressing a different viewpoint that posters won’t respond in kind.

It never fails to astound me that people are still blaming teachers for closing schools and making points about children being behind as if it's news to anyone working in a school.
Sherrystrull · 14/03/2022 19:27

Many teachers are parents too. There are no 'sides'.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 19:29

@CallmeHendricks

"However, you can’t realistically expect that if you’re rude, abrasive, insulting, heckling and snide toward those expressing a different viewpoint that posters won’t respond in kind."

I've seen @noblegiraffe on many, many threads over the years, both since Covid and way before, and I simply do not recognise those accusations. And you're now attempting to de-rail this thread too, whilst blaming her (and others) for it.
This is exactly the problem we've had over and over for the last two years and is why so few teachers are still on here. We've been "hounded off" to somewhere else, so well done, Marsha and co.
And Marsha, for someone who claims to have been hounded off yourself, you seem to turn up on a remarkable number of threads with your opinions still.

Anyway, could we please return this thread to the question in the OP about Covid catch-up for children in school?

Absolute rubbish.

My views have been broad on a societal level. I have posted positive messages about staff at schools and I have no issue with teachers.

I do with posters on these boards who post as you do. Trying to stop me posting and attacking as you do.

Apparently I was barely in the op’s threads anyway so rubbish again.

Stop making personal attacks you are part of the problem.