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Govt gives up on covid catch-up for kids and hopes you don't notice

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noblegiraffe · 12/03/2022 12:35

After the guy they specifically hired to come up with a covid catch-up plan for children resigned when the government said they weren't willing to spend the amount of money needed (£15 billion) and instead only about £3 billion, they said that the focus of the catch-up would be tutoring.

They then gave the tutoring contract to a Dutch HR firm because they bid the lowest (much better bids from experienced companies were rejected). This has turned into a slow-motion car crash where schools couldn't access tutors, websites didn't work, tutors couldn't be found.

The govt have now abandoned that and said that the tutoring money (£65 million, not billions) will be given directly to schools to source and fund their own tutors instead.

However, at the same time, targets have been dropped or watered down:

Tutors used to have to be graduates or qualified teachers. Now they merely need A-levels.

Group sizes were max 3, this is now max 6 pupils.

A requirement that 65% of targeted pupils were disadvantaged pupils has been ditched.

A thread on MN about whether children were recovering education-wise discussed how academically children seem to be ok, but socially and emotionally are still affected. (As this is MN, children of MNettters are more likely to be advantaged where the data shows that it's disadvantaged children most hit educationally, so they may have a false impression of the widespread educational impact.) However, as the sole govt focus was on educational catch-up (which has now basically fizzled out), there is no extra support for helping children emotionally or socially beyond that which schools can cobble together themselves with their limited resources. That's why the advisor resigned - he wanted a full package of support for children, physically, socially and educationally, and the lack of that is now becoming obvious.

In addition, CAMHS has basically collapsed, so there is very little professional mental health support available for children, and long, long waiting lists for those who meet the incredibly high threshold for referral.

Schools have just gone through an extremely difficult term, covid-wise. There has been massive staff and pupil absence. Far from being places of covid catch-up, many schools have struggled to staff the basic timetable, and pupils have had lack of consistency with supply staff. Exam classes have been left without specialist teaching. Despite schools now being provided with funding for tutoring, the idea that in maths we could actually find any tutors is challenging. We did have some timetabled intervention, but those teachers had to be redeployed to actual teaching because of staff absence.

Why aren't the government worried that they'll get found out?

Who is measuring the social and emotional well-being of children in a way that will actually have an impact on government policy? Parents seem remarkably reluctant to hold the government to account for their failings here.

What about exam results? Well, exam grades are decided in advance by the government. We know for a fact that pupils sitting GCSEs and A-levels this summer will come out with good results overall, because this has already been decided, regardless of their actual performance in the exams. So the public will see the exam results and figure that everything must be ok in schools because the kids are doing well in their exams. It's not ok, and don't be fooled.

This government still don't give a shit about your kids, or their education.

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FrippEnos · 13/03/2022 22:11

Cherrycrush

The one thing that could be done better is ventilation. But that discussion has been done to death.

CallmeHendricks · 13/03/2022 22:33

@Cherrycrush

The daffodils and the not-so-cryptic messages on the staff room threads about any poster who dared to think schools closing wasn’t in the best interests of children was awful.

Really, really unpleasant.

The staffroom is meant to be an area of the boards where teachers can post to other teachers about matters of concern. It should have been a safer space than the main boards. It wasn't. You might have noticed that few people post on there anymore.
noblegiraffe · 13/03/2022 22:51

@FrippEnos

Cherrycrush

The one thing that could be done better is ventilation. But that discussion has been done to death.

Sept-Dec 2020 there were many things that could be done better.

People moaned it would be disruptive to have mitigation measures in schools. Schools closed from Jan to March because high infection rates in kids meant they couldn't stay open in the context of a spiralling death rate. I would suggest this was more disruptive to education.

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Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 01:59

Schools closed from Jan to March because high infection rates in kids meant they couldn't stay open in the context of a spiralling death rate

Stating the obvious here (I know) but it wasn’t just schools, it was everything, everywhere.

I don’t think had things been different in terms of mitigation methods schools would somehow have stayed open whilst shops, gyms, places of worship and so on closed.

The school I worked in actually did have mitigation methods from September 2020 - masks and ventilation and visors for teachers and open windows - it made little difference. Cases were still high.

This is all old news though and what is done is done. Only time will tell if the right call was made. I think now that the dust has settled and some of the particularly awful CP cases have emerged there is a feeling amongst some that it maybe wasn’t the right call. But then what else could the government do? I honestly don’t know, I’m thinking out loud.

For my part, I’ve been very fortunate not to have been affected financially by what happened but emotionally it’s not always been easy and I can also see life has changed and not necessarily for the better. That’s why I suppose I just don’t see it as something you can catch up in an hour a week. It isn’t as simple as - ok, well in April/May 2020 we’d have learned about world poetry so we’ll do that after school instead. It’s far more subliminal than that.

echt · 14/03/2022 03:33

@Cherrycrush

The daffodils and the not-so-cryptic messages on the staff room threads about any poster who dared to think schools closing wasn’t in the best interests of children was awful.

Really, really unpleasant.

Daffodil
echt · 14/03/2022 03:36

Sorry. Should have said the daffodil is a refusal to engage with a poster.

I once said, when queried as to what it meant, was it was better than telling someone to fuck off, and this became translated into that's what Daffodil means.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 06:19

Yes, I know what it means, thanks.

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 06:34

noblegiraffe

I do agree, but it was in response to what could have been done with no disruption.

But then many on here seem to forget the government mantra of back to school at any cost.
And then forget that the government actually said that any methods would come out of the schools budgets.

Which brings us back to those that said schools should have mitigations were told that they actually wanted schools to remain closed.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 06:42

@FrippEnos

MarshaBradyo

Yes good to see you trying to shut this down. Nothing new there.

There's the twist, I'm not shutting anything down, I'm putting forward a PoV that you don't like

This site was an aggressive echo chamber thanks to many posters.

Yes, many teachers left due to how they were treated by various posters, but then that isn't what you mean is it?

the truth is that Education was in a lot of trouble before the pandemic, it got worse during the pandemic, and its getting even worse because the government don't give a shit, yet people are happy just to keep shooting the messenger.

No I didn’t mean that

The aggression, attacks and hounding posters off threads made anything to do with education and the pandemic difficult for others to discuss.

Given how fundamental it is for children that was a shame.

MmeMeursault · 14/03/2022 06:46

@ChiswickFlo

Stem and mfl recruiting is a shit show atm
MFL recruiting has always been terrible though. Brexit didn't help but even before then it was dire....and I'm an MFL HoD
keiratwiceknightly · 14/03/2022 06:48

Couple of thoughts on funding...

My Head shared with us the projected heating cost for next year. No increased £ from govt to help, of course. £130k. That's 4 experienced teachers. They will go out to tender etc etc but it's not going to come down significantly.

Catch up tutoring - we have a programme. Teaching staff were asked if we would like to be involved but it pays £16 an hour. Factor in marking/planning and it's barely minimum wage. Unsurprisingly no one went for it, so we now farm it out to a specialist online firm - kids get an hour a week, in pairs or threes, with a remote tutor. No cameras on, v little interaction. The kids involved are the ones who fell behind during - guess what? Online learning! - so they are disengaged at best, literally switching off at worst. The tutors are trying their best but it's a poor outcome all round.

If the govt cared about your kids' education they could find the funding to help. They don't care enough, sadly.

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 06:52

MarshaBradyo

No I didn’t mean that

I know

The aggression, attacks and hounding posters off threads made anything to do with education and the pandemic difficult for others to discuss.

Yes, and unfortunately teachers had had enough and responded in kind. It is worth saying that teachers put up with a lot before they started biting back.

Given how fundamental it is for children that was a shame.

It is a shame but then its also a shame that for so many it took the pandemic to get them to notice the problems inherent within the system.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 06:57

@FrippEnos

MarshaBradyo

No I didn’t mean that

I know

The aggression, attacks and hounding posters off threads made anything to do with education and the pandemic difficult for others to discuss.

Yes, and unfortunately teachers had had enough and responded in kind. It is worth saying that teachers put up with a lot before they started biting back.

Given how fundamental it is for children that was a shame.

It is a shame but then its also a shame that for so many it took the pandemic to get them to notice the problems inherent within the system.

I don’t recall making any personal remarks re teachers, in fact I offered support to school irl as it was easy to see they were trying hard and had a good attitude in a hard situation

I thought society was making a mistake and children would suffer harms more than their risk allowed.

Ethically I had an issue with that, so it was a very broad issue.

The hounding and personal attacks were off the scale. Not just me of course, I stopped posting on certain threads towards the end and would see the same from others.

It became an aggressive echo chamber, or near to, some would keep posting.

thecatfromjapan · 14/03/2022 07:26

It's very simple:

The pandemic has hit children hard.

The most effective thing to do now is to have a serious amount of funding for
Education strategies
Mental health strategies
Well-being strategies
Probably delivered through schools (because some of these strategies are educational, and others will most effectively reach children if delivered via schools,
And funded at a serious, effective level.

This isn't happening.

The government is going against expert advice and not doing this.

This choice affects your children.

Everything else on this thread is just venting about irrelevance.

Meanwhile, your children are paying a high price.

Get angry by all means.

But get angry with the right people.

This isn't about what happened/didn't happen two years ago/one year ago. Or what you would have liked a year ago.

It's about what is happening right now.

If you want to change the future outcomes of your children, deal with the present. And the egregious inequity that is taking place in real time, right now.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 07:30

Which makes it our responsibility, our individual responsibility, to sort a huge nationwide problem, and we can’t.

Even if I wrote to my MP, even if more funding magically appeared for schools, there’s no way it would be either spent wisely or make any sort of discernible difference.

As I’ve said, I’ve been in this game a long time and I’m pragmatic. I don’t think it’s going to get any better any time soon. And anyone who is laying the blame solely at the Tories gate should have tried teaching in the Blair / Brown era; it really wasn’t a sun drenched land where it was always afternoon.

Abraxan · 14/03/2022 07:31

@HesterShaw1

If schools hadn't been shut for months unnecessarily, this thread wouldn't exist.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Schools across the world closed - it wasn't just here, so it was deemed a necessary thing in many many countries at the time. Sadly ours schools weren't created to allow for social distancing and other measures to exist in order for them to stay open.
Onionpatch · 14/03/2022 07:37

Absolutlety @thecatfromjapan

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 07:40

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It wasn’t all hindsight. There were growing voices re damage but push back increased

thecatfromjapan · 14/03/2022 07:40

Yes, it can be laid at the door of this government - because it is their job to govern.

They ended up governing not just 'to get Brexit done' but through a pandemic.

Which was clearly beyond the competence of the nutters they had left when longer-serving, more experienced Conservatives were booted out/sidelined.

Well tough shit.

It happened.

And now they need to do the job and govern.

They had experts tell them what they need to do.

They've chosen to ignore it.

Giving them a free pass because ... 'Blair' ... wtf? WTF kind of reasoning is that?

It's like excusing your neighbours setting fire to the local cat population because 20 years ago the previous occupants painted their door a colour you didn't like.

Basically, the current government are choosing to ignore experts and not deal with a real issue, affecting your children.

It is beyond time to demand better.

thecatfromjapan · 14/03/2022 07:44

And, you know, this issue isn't a hypothetical.

It's real.

It's happening right now, to your children.

Which means we should be demanding better right now.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 07:49

I’m not giving them a ‘free pass’ @thecatfromjapan and tbh I am a bit baffled as to how you read that into my post.

What I am saying is that there is nothing as an individual I can do about it and I think it’s unfair to lay the blame and the responsibility at my door.

Writing to my MP will not make a blind bit of difference and I don’t even think a whole new government would, hence the Blair comment.

toomuchlaundry · 14/03/2022 07:57

@MarshaBradyo schools closed due to the Government, not the teachers or unions.

But the vitriol on here was aimed at teachers.

Funding for schools is atrocious, before, during and after COVID. But very rarely see posters (apart from teachers) attacking the Government for this (and it’s not just the Tories that have screwed our education system). Most teachers put on a brave face when talking to parents IRL to protect them from the harsh reality what state education is in. But on here they can vent. People need to listen.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 08:14

[quote toomuchlaundry]@MarshaBradyo schools closed due to the Government, not the teachers or unions.

But the vitriol on here was aimed at teachers.

Funding for schools is atrocious, before, during and after COVID. But very rarely see posters (apart from teachers) attacking the Government for this (and it’s not just the Tories that have screwed our education system). Most teachers put on a brave face when talking to parents IRL to protect them from the harsh reality what state education is in. But on here they can vent. People need to listen.[/quote]
I think they realised the mistake made in summer as damage started filtering back. Kept dc in thankfully, without ‘blended learning’, but everyone knew by then that if you shut schools for ‘a few weeks’ it would be much longer. That was the other mistake in 2021

As a society we didn’t prioritise dc enough and I include all the shutting down conversation, including on here.

Part of that was due to heavy messaging to get compliance but it had downsides for dc.

WhiteJellycat · 14/03/2022 09:00

There was a child in one of my schools who didnt get any education at all for 6 months with a ehcp. He should have been in school but was lost from the paperwork and just missed. So the vulnerable went under the bus. Really not surprised. Those who parents who can advocate will be ok and those who cant wont as is the case for SEND every single day for decades. That will never change.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 16:45

The aggression, attacks and hounding posters off threads made anything to do with education and the pandemic difficult for others to discuss.

Yes, indeed. Let's talking about this 'shutting down of conversation'.

Starting threads isn't shutting down conversation.

If you were a teacher in Sept 2020 and noticed the government's 'scientific advice' didn't make any sense in the context of schools and then had to watch as everything became worse and more chaotic, covid cases going up, hundreds of thousands of kids out of school, parents getting sick, and utter silence on this from the media and government, what would you do? You'd tell people, wouldn't you? You'd say that things needed to be put in place to try to make it better. You'd point out that the situation was either being misrepresented (socially distanced schools in news articles) or just ignored altogether (no mention of the huge school absences or rising infection rates in the press).

So I did. I started threads. I provided information. I posted data and graphs. I made suggestions on how the situation could be improved.

And what did I get? A deluge of abuse. People leaping onto my threads to tell me how dreadful I was. Lies spread about me. Suggestions that I wasn't who I said I was. I was ' overly anxious', 'in the wrong job', 'scaremongering', and of course 'campaigning to have schools closed'. (It's beyond me why anyone thought that a teacher who was also a parent of primary school kids was campaigning to close schools, as it's a nightmare for both). Endless complaints to MNHQ. Threads on Site Stuff. People demanding that I be banned, or stopped from posting threads.

So yes, let's talk about the repeated and persistent attempts to bully me off MN, to shut down MY conversation.

Some people did NOT want that conversation to happen. They didn't want to hear what was happening on the ground. They didn't want bad news about the situation in schools.

I also got lots of support. PMs from people saying 'thank god someone's talking about this, but I daren't post on your threads'. Teachers. Headteachers. Governors. Parents of vulnerable kids who knew something wasn't right.

And what happened? Things came to a head. The situation in schools couldn't be ignored any more. Action had to be taken. And unfortunately because it had been left so late, schools closed for a second time. I was gutted, and angry because if there hadn't been all that covering up of bad news, things might have been done differently and potentially prevented that outcome.

So now I'm posting another thread about bad news for schools. Children being affected by the pandemic and a lack of support with this. What's being wheeled out? Insults. Lies. And a very persistent effort to derail the thread onto a favoured theme of complaining about teachers.

Why are some people SO resistant to discussing the reality in schools and listening to people who actually work in them? People who would otherwise claim that they care about children don't seem to want to hear it.

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