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Govt gives up on covid catch-up for kids and hopes you don't notice

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noblegiraffe · 12/03/2022 12:35

After the guy they specifically hired to come up with a covid catch-up plan for children resigned when the government said they weren't willing to spend the amount of money needed (£15 billion) and instead only about £3 billion, they said that the focus of the catch-up would be tutoring.

They then gave the tutoring contract to a Dutch HR firm because they bid the lowest (much better bids from experienced companies were rejected). This has turned into a slow-motion car crash where schools couldn't access tutors, websites didn't work, tutors couldn't be found.

The govt have now abandoned that and said that the tutoring money (£65 million, not billions) will be given directly to schools to source and fund their own tutors instead.

However, at the same time, targets have been dropped or watered down:

Tutors used to have to be graduates or qualified teachers. Now they merely need A-levels.

Group sizes were max 3, this is now max 6 pupils.

A requirement that 65% of targeted pupils were disadvantaged pupils has been ditched.

A thread on MN about whether children were recovering education-wise discussed how academically children seem to be ok, but socially and emotionally are still affected. (As this is MN, children of MNettters are more likely to be advantaged where the data shows that it's disadvantaged children most hit educationally, so they may have a false impression of the widespread educational impact.) However, as the sole govt focus was on educational catch-up (which has now basically fizzled out), there is no extra support for helping children emotionally or socially beyond that which schools can cobble together themselves with their limited resources. That's why the advisor resigned - he wanted a full package of support for children, physically, socially and educationally, and the lack of that is now becoming obvious.

In addition, CAMHS has basically collapsed, so there is very little professional mental health support available for children, and long, long waiting lists for those who meet the incredibly high threshold for referral.

Schools have just gone through an extremely difficult term, covid-wise. There has been massive staff and pupil absence. Far from being places of covid catch-up, many schools have struggled to staff the basic timetable, and pupils have had lack of consistency with supply staff. Exam classes have been left without specialist teaching. Despite schools now being provided with funding for tutoring, the idea that in maths we could actually find any tutors is challenging. We did have some timetabled intervention, but those teachers had to be redeployed to actual teaching because of staff absence.

Why aren't the government worried that they'll get found out?

Who is measuring the social and emotional well-being of children in a way that will actually have an impact on government policy? Parents seem remarkably reluctant to hold the government to account for their failings here.

What about exam results? Well, exam grades are decided in advance by the government. We know for a fact that pupils sitting GCSEs and A-levels this summer will come out with good results overall, because this has already been decided, regardless of their actual performance in the exams. So the public will see the exam results and figure that everything must be ok in schools because the kids are doing well in their exams. It's not ok, and don't be fooled.

This government still don't give a shit about your kids, or their education.

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Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:02

And do you think posting on MN has helped towards that aim? I don’t, sorry. All I think it’s done is create some real unpleasantness that certainly compromised my enjoyment of the site at one time.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:04

And do you think posting on MN has helped towards that aim?

Of making people aware of issues in education? For sure. Even on this thread I've been thanked for it.

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:05

If the aim really is ‘they need to know’ then no I don’t think you are reaching parents outside teachers

As some have said they’ve found these threads aggressive and personally I had to separate out mn group from teachers I know irl as I didn’t want that negative association to be carried over.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:07

Yes Giraffe, by people who would not have voted Tory in the first place Hmm

Hence the echo chamber.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:09

If the aim really is ‘they need to know’ then no I don’t think you are reaching parents outside teachers

😂 and yet here you are, not a teacher.

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:12

@noblegiraffe

If the aim really is ‘they need to know’ then no I don’t think you are reaching parents outside teachers

😂 and yet here you are, not a teacher.

And here you are making me think same old posting style

Not really persuasive. If that’s what you’re going for.

After two years I think what a bunch of aggressors trying to stop opposing voices.

Not a great advocate for your cause.

toomuchlaundry · 14/03/2022 18:19

How do you know noble or any of the other teachers who have posted on here aren’t teachers at your DC’s school. As I have stated above most teachers keep most of the grim stuff about the state of education away from parents in their actual schools.

I am a school governor. I only found out about how awful funding etc was when I became a governor and how teachers/SLT felt towards Government guidance when talking to them as a governor. When I had my parent hat on everything was rosy!

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:20

There is another thread running at the moment about who people plan to vote for next May.

First page is filled with ‘until Labour know what a woman is, I won’t vote for them.’

And there is one of the (many) issues.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:20

Well, in my case it’s because I don’t have a child of school age Smile but I’m not sure what difference that makes, tbh.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:21

I've been posting about education issues for years Marsha. And I'm not trying to persuade you.

If you need the message that kids have been affected by the pandemic and the government has done jack-shit to support them to be delivered by someone you like, otherwise you won't care about it, then that's your look-out.

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CallmeHendricks · 14/03/2022 18:23

I'm astounded, @MarshaBradyo, that you cannot see that you are guilty of exactly what you're accusing others of.
I too will not dredge up specifics of previous threads, but I can tell you that you certainly did your fair share of "hounding."

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 18:25

MarshaBradyo

After two years I think what a bunch of aggressors trying to stop opposing voices.

And yet here you are on a thread started by someone you consider to be an aggressor trying to shutdown opposing voices.

Somewhat ironic.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:26

@noblegiraffe

I've been posting about education issues for years Marsha. And I'm not trying to persuade you.

If you need the message that kids have been affected by the pandemic and the government has done jack-shit to support them to be delivered by someone you like, otherwise you won't care about it, then that's your look-out.

Most posters who follow your threads are teachers. I would often be one of the few non teacher voices - and would of course be hounded as a result

You’re not reaching people outside your profession

I don’t care about liking posters or not. But if your aim is to reach parents well the last two years have put me off.

I do care about education though, and children, which is why I kept posting throughout. Whilst the damage was occurring, in an effort to stop it. All those voices were shut down. This place became an aggressive echo chamber due to many on this thread.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:27

@FrippEnos

MarshaBradyo

After two years I think what a bunch of aggressors trying to stop opposing voices.

And yet here you are on a thread started by someone you consider to be an aggressor trying to shutdown opposing voices.

Somewhat ironic.

Sure I’m allowed to post aren’t I?
noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:27

Most posters who follow your threads are teachers.

You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:29

@noblegiraffe

Most posters who follow your threads are teachers.

You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

I bet you don’t Hmm

Of course they are. Over time it was obvious who was a teacher on the threads.

FrippEnos · 14/03/2022 18:30

MarshaBradyo

Sure I’m allowed to post aren’t I?

Has anyone on the thread said that you can't post?

toomuchlaundry · 14/03/2022 18:34

So do you care about the level of funding now @MarshaBradyo, what about pre COVID?

I’m not a teacher but don’t feel shut down by posters like Noble.

On the threads I was on in the early days of the pandemic it took some time for the teachers to react to goady threads from other posters. MN had to delete many threads berating teachers.

I wonder how children in other countries have coped with their schools being closed during lockdown?

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:35

Badly, I suspect.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:37

Toomuch I would have preferred the damage not to have been caused as it’s hard to change.

It concerned me earlier on in the pandemic and I thought it a great shame that views on keeping schools open was met with derision rather than debate.

Imo we let children down, hugely.

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:41

views on keeping schools open was met with derision rather than debate.

Yes. There was a campaign to get me banned from MN for trying to suggest ways to keep schools open by lessening the amount of covid in them.

Marsha btw, that you refer to "the threads" just further demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about.

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toomuchlaundry · 14/03/2022 18:44

Do you think schools would have been fine being kept completely open the whole time? Do you think we would all have been fine if schools had been kept open, hospitals, healthcare etc, as schools were closed to help reduce the spread of the virus. If more family members had been seriously ill whether with COVID or not being able to be treated for other illnesses would that have been ok for children’s mental health?

noblegiraffe · 14/03/2022 18:44

I’m not a teacher but don’t feel shut down by posters like Noble.

Cheers, toomuchlaundry

Bizarre that people are reacting to the OP of this thread as if I'm the problem, rather than the issues facing children and education.

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MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2022 18:45

btw, that you refer to "the threads" just further demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about.

What are you on about? Hmm

Over time it became obvious who was a teacher as they would post they were. For example I recognise user names on this thread who have said they are teachers.

Cherrycrush · 14/03/2022 18:46

The problem is, there aren’t solutions, Giraffe. That’s one reason the threads become argumentative.

We don’t have decent opposition.