Pronouns- here to stay??

[StuffLikeThat]

Can I get people's thoughts on whether the act of stating your "personal pronouns" (after your name on LinkedIn or in your email signature etc) is here to stay? Is it just a fad or will this stick and just be a thing for ever more?

I hope they don't stay..I will not be participating at work if this comes in.

I.wont be complicit in an.ideology placing women and girls in danger.

Nor will I allow my dds to be made ro look the arsehole as the pronoun changes the meaning of the sentence completely.

" please sir/miss can you ask Alex to leave the girls changing rooms he's making me uncomfortable and he shouldn't be there "

Portrays the situation as it is. A male student in a female space.

" sir/miss can you ask Alex to leave the changing room shes making me uncomfortable "

Makes them look like they are bullying a girl.

#no thank you.

I will not indulge the level.of control being given to people. No one gets to decide how I talk about people when they aren't even there .

This has already happened in Ukraine. I read about a transwoman who wasn’t allowed to leave, they basically said you’re a bloke so fight

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

That’s why it’s so stupid! To my awareness there are no trans students in my classes. If there are they pass extraordinarily well so would pass for the sex they’re aiming for anyway. So I don’t see what the point of it is for someone like me (clearly female mother of 4) confirming that I am in fact a she when the lecturer would never have cause to call me she anyway!

I am not a fan of pronouns, but am struggling to parse the argument that a dictator or a dictators army won’t care about this so why should anyone else? There must be a better way to express the concept that identifying as something doesn’t change the reality, with an argument that doesn’t immediately extend itself to argue that human rights are irrelevant! After all, if the Russian army doesn’t care…

School registers have male/female.

I wonder if that will changes?

change.

@DotBall

Fuck sake. Pronouns really don’t matter because you use them when THE PERSON ISN’T THERE. No offence can be caused because they are NOT PRESENT.

You can call them whatever you like. Such a load of bollcoks.

This

My friend’s son is now non binary

My 18 did just said she will state them.if asked but if not she doesn't bother. My 3 kids age 21-15 find the gender stuff a yawn fest so I think it's not something most even think about. Hopefully this will be a fad of the 2010s and fade out it will date badly, especially as those that took hormones young will also age badly.and have health problems it won't seem cool but will be a case of pitying those that were brainwashed.

I hope that this whole identification bollocks will blow over.

I grew up not really feeling like a proper girl as I wasn’t a delicate flower like my friends. I was bigger, not pretty, didn’t react like girls were ‘meant to’ to things traditionally boy/girl. But I am a woman, a woman who doesn’t conform to gender stereotypes and that is still a woman.

What I don’t understand is that if you really care about not being ‘misgendered’ you’ll use a clearly gendered name - so no need to state how you wish people to refer to you in your absence, because people will know from your name. Eg I see the name Lisa, I don’t think hmmm I wonder if that person is male or female?
If people want to keep their sex hidden in emails they can adopt a less gendered name - Alex, Jo…..
And more to the point, why does someone writing to you need to know your sex at all? If they meet you in real life they’l be able to tell straight away!

Yes, not being able to identify out of military service as being one of the times the patriarchy oppresses men isn't exactly a gotcha - I can almost hear Shon Faye saying 'yes thats the bloody point' in my ear! That detaching those meanings from sex is part of the feminist liberation of both women and men.

I wonder how many of you are happy to declare your marital status in an email by using Miss/Mrs? Only the women must declare this of course.
I find that much more repressive than any of the she/her they/them stuff. Just my opinion.

I mean imagine if they brought that in now as a thing.
All women must declare their marital status on emails, if they don't want to they must use Ms. Men don't need to do this and can keep their relationship status a secret.
There would be outrage, yet so many women carry along with it.

@FrenchApple

I wonder how many of you are happy to declare your marital status in an email by using Miss/Mrs? Only the women must declare this of course. I find that much more repressive than any of the she/her they/them stuff. Just my opinion.

I've used Ms since I was 18.

Someone got me a thong for my hen party with "Mrs Sbaitso" on it in sparkly letters. I showed it to my husband, he shouted, "That's my mum's name!" and that was it, really.

The sooner we realise/remember that everyone is non binary as gender is an artificial shitty construct designed to repress both males and females the better.

100% this.
This article’s also very clear good about the high risk and cost to women of using special pronouns: fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

But informing people that they must say 'she/her' about me is exactly that @FrenchApple. Exactly like insisting people call me Miss, instead of Ms being acceptable for all. If TRAs were campaigning for 'they' and 'Mx' for everyone, that would make actual sense. And it's starting to happen organically - as per the posts here where the youngsters use 'they' as a default unless corrected.

If I didn’t make it clear I’m saying that gender is a trap for everyone and life is sex based and it always will be. Gender can go fuck itself, it harms everyone especially women. ‘Masculinity’ and ‘femininity’ (that is, gender not actual biological sex) has caused so much pain and trouble for centuries.

So why on earth are people indulging it now in this day and age? Genderism just tired old sexism rebranded, horrible old stereotypes in new apparently- progressive looking clothes.

I listened to a podcast the other day with three speakers who all gave their pronouns in the intro, then referred to each other as "you" for the entire programme

@FrenchApple

I mean imagine if they brought that in now as a thing. All women must declare their marital status on emails, if they don't want to they must use Ms. Men don't need to do this and can keep their relationship status a secret. There would be outrage, yet so many women carry along with it.

Do you really sign off emails like that? I just put my name. I've never known anyone to sign off as Mr or Mrs or Ms anything.

@StuffLikeThat

That's what I thought originally but scrolling through LinkedIn this evening and im dismayed at the number of people (mostly women) who do it.

I think that's because LinkedIn now prompts people to complete the pronoun field when using the site. (As if you'd forgotten to fill in this wholly unnecessary piece of information!)

So now it seems like 'everyone' is doing it on there and (and elsewhere) you're being left behind! Which is the intention, right?^
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I expect most are not thinking deeply about what they're doing by complying/don't have much background knowledge/cba thinking for themselves.

It's ubiquitousness can be attributed to vast sums of money behind pushing this agenda. Helped by ideologically-driven large tech companies amongst others.

The behaviour of crowds is interesting. I think most people want to 'fit in' and using them is seen as coming from a good place/being kind. I can understand why they think that although it is incorrect in my view.

@FrenchApple

I mean imagine if they brought that in now as a thing. All women must declare their marital status on emails, if they don't want to they must use Ms. Men don't need to do this and can keep their relationship status a secret. There would be outrage, yet so many women carry along with it.

I use ms, always have. Don’t care what others use. Which is how it should be. Also, no-one puts any of those in their emails anymore, just names! And for work relevant things like title, sometimes quals, contact dets etc. Which is also how it should be.

I grew up not really feeling like a proper girl as I wasn’t a delicate flower like my friends. I was bigger, not pretty, didn’t react like girls were ‘meant to’ to things traditionally boy/girl. But I am a woman, a woman who doesn’t conform to gender stereotypes and that is still a woman.

Exactly this. Gender ideology just reinforces stereotypes and I refuse to buy into it. What is a woman if not an adult female? There is no one thing that I have in common with all other women on earth except my biology. Women can be tall, short, hairy, bald, like ballet, like football, be quiet, loud, wear makeup, wear an old bin bag. The only thing that unites us biology and you can't self-identity into that group.

Regarding LinkedIn, I was surprised a few months ago to see it popping up more and more but then one day I was asked by LI to add mine (which I did not). I can’t remember if I was updating my profile or if I just had it pop up in the vein of ‘missing information’ on my profile.

I suspect there will be a lot of people who, like a PP, think it’s harmless so they just added theirs when asked/encouraged to do so. Im sure some of them think they’re being kind or inclusive or down with the kids or whatever, because they won’t have thought through the implications and where it leads.

@FrenchApple

I wonder how many of you are happy to declare your marital status in an email by using Miss/Mrs? Only the women must declare this of course. I find that much more repressive than any of the she/her they/them stuff. Just my opinion.

Yeah no I don't. I never changed my surname when I married and I much prefer to go by my name than ms/miss/mrs.

I won't be doing pronouns and DH understands why in particular women within his workplace could be at a disadvantage from using them and would be able to explain this if asked why his have not been included in emails.