Ukraine Invasion Part 12

[MagicFox]

I see the other thread is filling up so starting the twelfth...

Re World protest on foot
I was thinking this too, 10s of thousands of us getting in our cars and driving out to the Ukriane border and then making a human chain corridor.
As individuals we don't want to turn away shrugging our shoulders and carrying on with life as we often do when watching the news.

I'm starting to think that what should have been done is that all the Putin enablers who benefit from Russian oppression but live outside Russia, all the oligarchs and kleptocrats and gangsters and their families, all the families of Kremlin politicians and officials and generals who launder blood money, should have been abducted and strapped to the roofs of strategic buildings in Ukraine, with a few quiet photographs sent to the Kremlin. Drop your bombs and your chemical weapons then. No planes, no NFZ, no NATO, but a bit of resistance warfare.

[quote MagicFox]Found this analysis interesting: www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/stephen-kotkin-putin-russia-ukraine-stalin[/quote]
Great article! Even if you don't totally agree with Kotkin, a terrific read.

The New Yorker always has good Russia coverage.

Esma I agree!

Where are these people now?
At least have them at the nuclear power plants.

Checking in after watching latest Zelensky vid.

I get excited when I recognise a word in Ukrainian from my time long ago studying another Slavic language

Sorry to bring up Iran again. IMO the children of the regime strongmen will soften rules for the country but the hardmen will cling on. 43 years of this in Iran. They adapt. It matters not if the world is against you. Extreme wealth in the hands of a few makes it easy to buy supporters and create a police state. They also enjoy lavish lifestyles no matter what the country goes through by being made a pariah state.

@Hillscoveredwithsnow

Re World protest on foot I was thinking this too, 10s of thousands of us getting in our cars and driving out to the Ukriane border and then making a human chain corridor. As individuals we don't want to turn away shrugging our shoulders and carrying on with life as we often do when watching the news.

I wish the press would pick up On this thread.

@strawberriesarenot

I have no one to talk to. I am frightened for the young people. When someone mentioned conscription I haven't stopped shaking since.

And the planet. I thought we were going to try and heal the planet. And now this terrible war.

Sorry . I don’t think it’s likely, although the armed forces will no doubt be expanded - back to what they should have been anyway. Conscription is for wars of survival and we are not likely to face that here. All of Europe is between them and us. Which is why we should support them though.

Came across this on Twitter and thought some here might find this article/blog interesting. It's written by an independent Russian journalist as a response to the media censoring

faridaily.substack.com/p/theyre-carefully-enunciating-the

Thank you for posting the link to the New Yorker article, MagicFox, that was a very interesting read.

I’m sorry if this has been asked before, but can anybody link to some good videos or podcasts about the history of the Soviet Union, please? I did history at school, but both GCSE and A level concentrated on late 19th and 20th century UK and Germany, so I don’t know much about the USSR. I lived through its ending, but I was fairly young, so I don’t remember a great deal!

@Hillscoveredwithsnow

Re World protest on foot I was thinking this too, 10s of thousands of us getting in our cars and driving out to the Ukriane border and then making a human chain corridor. As individuals we don't want to turn away shrugging our shoulders and carrying on with life as we often do when watching the news.

It's a pretty idea. The problem is you expect the Russian forces to have a respect for unarmed civilians - or the capability to recognise we are different from the people they have been shooting up until now. They won't. And the West will not get involved even if 10000 of us walk in and get slaughtered.

I don't want to shrug and turn away, but neither do I think driving to a war zone to be shot helps, either.

Sorry about night time panic. I have been working with some very disadvantaged teens, their lives are tough enough. The young Russian lads we saw in the first week could have been them.

I just thank god that Donald Trump isn’t president…

Nor Jeremy Corbyn.

Imagine being trapped between the two

The ABC

I think it's obvious the poster and those also talking about it realise it's not practical it would be amazing if it were

its probably all jeremy corbyn's fault

But hell yeh we are so so so so lucky to have boris. I wonder how many oligarch chums he's hiding in his fridge..

I wonder if there is a Russian equivalent of mumsnet, or WI, or something. I wish we could hear their voices. I look at the negotiating meetings and there is never a single woman.

I wish the press would pick up
On this thread.

Really? With talk of us using children as human shields and how awful all of this has been for Me and My Anxiety?

@strawberriesarenot

I wonder if there is a Russian equivalent of mumsnet, or WI, or something. I wish we could hear their voices. I look at the negotiating meetings and there is never a single woman.

I do wonder what the home conversations are like? With their wives, children and parents.

I can imagine there must be some really difficult conversations for some of them.

@AgnesWestern

I just thank god that Donald Trump isn’t president…

100% with you there.

Thanks for thread, will read

@AgnesWestern

I just thank god that Donald Trump isn’t president…

It would have been a complete disaster. He's had to walk back comments about how smart it was of Putin to invade Ukraine. Tosser.

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@cakeorwine

I think the BBC are doing very well at the moment. Certainly people turn to the BBC for news during times like this. Their correspondants such as Lyce Doucet and Clive Myrie have been amazing.

I agree, they are incredible

I prefer radio BBC - but they’ve been v good as has Times radio