Kids don't have passports

[nearlyspringyay]

Kids' passports have just gone for renewal, it's maxing me anxious.

If Putin decides to nuke the UK I'd like to try and get them out to family in non NATO countries if we could. Would they be able to without a passport, how do the logistics work?

I realise I'm extrapolating, I'm more concerned with ow it would work in practice, if planes were able to fly etc etc. Do the refugees coming from Ukraine need a passport? What do you do if you don't have one?

OP, being realistic, there's no way you're getting on a plane with your kids if Putin decides to nuke the UK. You won't get enough warning, and even if you did and planes were actually flying, can you imagine the scramble for seats. Do you remember the images of people trying to get out of Afghanistan?

There's just no point in this kind of thinking. If the worst comes to the worst and Putin decides to nuke us, frankly, we're all fucked anyway. The whole world will probably be fucked at that point. There is really no point in even worrying about that eventuality because there is literally nothing that you could usefully do to control that situation if the worst did happen. However, the chances of it actually happening are exceptionally small, and you're far more likely to do yourself psychological damage by giving it headspace than you are by failing to be properly prepared.

@ItsAlwaysThere

We don't have passports. Do you think people always should, even if unlikely to go abroad in the next few years? Just curious.

Personally I would always want to have a valid passport. You just never know what is going to happen and it gives you a bit more freedom - at least you can get on a plane and claim asylum elsewhere if the U.K. want to hell. Once things start looking dodgy it will be too late to apply and get a passport (not least coz millions of others will be doing the same!)

@ItsAlwaysThere

We don't have passports. Do you think people always should, even if unlikely to go abroad in the next few years? Just curious.

I've always had an in date passport. You never know when you might be offered an all expenses paid holiday to the Caribbean!!

I think the OP isn’t thinking about sending the kids away after a nuke but rather if things start working towards us through Europe she might send them before things go to hell as a precaution

@BrieAndChilli

I think the OP isn’t thinking about sending the kids away after a nuke but rather if things start working towards us through Europe she might send them before things go to hell as a precaution

“Working towards us through Europe”?!

Not another one who is imagining a land invasion, surely? We had all that with tent woman two days ago.

Planning for a nuclear war is like Planning for an asteroid hitting the earth its pointless but on the plus side we will all go together and no very little about it

@ItsAlwaysThere

We don't have passports. Do you think people always should, even if unlikely to go abroad in the next few years? Just curious.

Eh not living under a bridge, highly educated, understand what's going on. If the no fly zone goes up I'd want to ship my kids out somewhere further away than central London. If they could.

My question was about what happens if they COULD leave but didn't have a passport.

Not histrionic, not irrational, just wondering how it works.

No point, if he nukes the U.K. the U.K. will send nukes back at him, and every other country with nukes will do the exact same thing.

Nowhere will be safe, nato country or not. We'd all die from the blasts or a nuclear winter.

You need to get some help for your anxiety.

@nearlyspringyay

Kids' passports have just gone for renewal, it's maxing me anxious.

If Putin decides to nuke the UK I'd like to try and get them out to family in non NATO countries if we could. Would they be able to without a passport, how do the logistics work?

I realise I'm extrapolating, I'm more concerned with ow it would work in practice, if planes were able to fly etc etc. Do the refugees coming from Ukraine need a passport? What do you do if you don't have one?

Stop panicking

And do you really think a non NATO country is going to be safe if the balloon goes up? I think not

Added to which if a world war does start you won’t get time to leave

I don’t understand your thinking OP.

If there is a point at which you personally feel you would rather have your kids out of Europe/ USA but there isn’t an active attack going on then of course you and your kids need passports. You can’t just turn up at passport control in Vancouver or Cape Town or wherever you are thinking of going and say ‘I was worried so am moving to your country with no passports’.

If there is active attack going on around us, or a missile is airborne, technically we could be refugees and not need passports but at that stage where the hell would we go and how would we get there?

Russian subs patrol our borders….

I seriously hope no one is thinking of taking their school age kids out if school once again to go to a beyond-NATO country ‘just in case’.

And closer countries can all be enveloped in wind blown nuclear fall out.

IF it came to that.

I don't have anxiety, it's a question about how it works. If I can and want to fly my kids out to the depths of the rockie mountains can they do it without a passport if it came to it.

@nearlyspringyay

I don't have anxiety, it's a question about how it works. If I can and want to fly my kids out to the depths of the rockie mountains can they do it without a passport if it came to it.

Honestly...see your gp about your anxiety

And get your kids passports if that's what you want...whats stopping you?

Rocky Mountains are in NATO countries, aren’t they? How’s that going to help?

@newyearnewwname2022

Rocky Mountains are in NATO countries, aren’t they? How’s that going to help?

It's further away, that's all. It was a hypothetical question, and not a single person has been able to answer how it works if you want to leave a country in a potential war zone without a passport. I'm out.

@nearlyspringyay

I don't have anxiety, it's a question about how it works. If I can and want to fly my kids out to the depths of the rockie mountains can they do it without a passport if it came to it.

In your OP you are specifically asking what happens "if Putin nukes the UK"

How much notice do you think you would get?

Why is it that none of the people fleeing Ukraine booked themselves a ticket to the depths of the rocky mountains then?

As a pp has pointed out, of course you would need passports - unless you had refugee status, in which case how on earth do you think you would be in a position to "fly your kids out".

@Comedycook

And get your kids passports if that's what you want...whats stopping you?

They've expired. Time. It's not difficult to extrapolate that is it?

Just to clarify for the last time, if he THREATENS to nuke the uk, and there were hours to get them out on a commercial flight what happens without a passport?. That's all.

Get back in your boxes.

There'll no be notice of any nuke. You and your children will be dust.

If he threatens to nuke the U.K. he is also threatening to nuke all NATO countries.

if he THREATENS to nuke the uk, and there were hours to get them out on a commercial flight what happens without a passport?

If there were "hours" there wouldn't be any commercial flights.

You're being ridiculous.

So IF he decides to nuke the UK, there will be "hours" to get children out on planes.

Ok OP. Regardless of your highly educated status, you are being exceptionally dim here.

If you were a passport operative / airport security worker / airline cabin crew / insert other roles here - would YOU be turning up to work in the face of a known nuclear attack? And if you decided yes, you would be, how the fuck would you get to work? Driving on motorways? Tubes? Come on, OP.

@nearlyspringyay Look, in the hypothetical world where the international situation had deteriorated so much that a nuclear attack on the UK was likely, then no planes or transport would be available for the public so passport or not is irrelevant - if the situation HASN'T deteriorated to the degree that commercial flights are still operating then of course passports would be required at both ends.

If you are that concerned however, just renew, I renewed in January and got a new passport in 10 days just using the standard service.

Then you are back to what I posted six minutes after your original post.

*Refugees don't need passports.

If you were just flying out of the country to stay with family you would need passports and a visa if applicable. You can't just go and live and work in any country you want. You would have to plan now how you would access your money.*

OP.

I answered you.

You need a passport.

Unless you are an actual refugee.

Which we wouldn’t be until under actual attack or occupation.