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The Invasion is ongoing...Part 8

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Damnloginpopup · 04/03/2022 22:14

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RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 18:52

@EsmaCannonball

On the point of Russia breaking the ceasefire - a) they're just bastards, b) apparently it's a military tactic to call a humanitarian ceasefire when what you really want is a chance to regroup.

As for the Russians singling the UK out for threats, I think that's partly because we are seen as a proxy for the US within Europe. We'll probably get the first nuke.

Its to try and drive a wedge between us and Europe as much as anything. We are the easy, receptive target.
vera99 · 05/03/2022 18:52

I love John Sweeney - old skool and fearless to the core and there is no doubt Putin hates him with a vengeance. I can definitely see a Kremlin massive Wikileaks like dump of everything they have on western leaders coming to divert attention away from their evil actions. Audio, video, emails and the like whose intention will be to sow distrust and despair at the base venality of western democracy. Putin has nothing to lose anymore.

yoolia · 05/03/2022 18:52

We'll probably get the first nuke

Totally unnecessary thing to say.

Igotjelly · 05/03/2022 18:54

@yoolia

We'll probably get the first nuke

Totally unnecessary thing to say.

Agree 100%
Justanotherlurker · 05/03/2022 18:55

Reading the reports about how the day has been for the Russia Airforce.

There is lots of videos showing that the weapons shipments have made it over there, Ben Wallace said that the gov don't want to comment on specifics, but that we've supplied additional AA weapons now. (in addition to the usual stuff we have been shipping over since jan), probably means we sent some starstreak.

Also reports coming through that Germany's stuff isn't useful at all as its rusty/etc

Natsku · 05/03/2022 18:55

Sorry about your dad @countrygirl99

StormzyinaTCup · 05/03/2022 18:55

As for the Russians singling the UK out for threats, I think that's partly because we are seen as a proxy for the US within Europe. We'll probably get the first nuke.

I wonder if one or two of the oligarchs from Londongrad have communicated up the line to Vlad that they are not happy with him!

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2022 18:57

Lots of small, hopeful stories of solidarity from the border. Ran into a group of German paramedics from Frankfurt. They’ve travelled 11 hours in their ambulance bus to help, a vehicle they’ve had for 30 years. At the end of the day they’re handing over the bus to the Ukrainians.

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1500108250276057090?t=Nh4Ui7lElchWhbdZExA6ag&s=19

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 19:01

[quote DuncinToffee]Lots of small, hopeful stories of solidarity from the border. Ran into a group of German paramedics from Frankfurt. They’ve travelled 11 hours in their ambulance bus to help, a vehicle they’ve had for 30 years. At the end of the day they’re handing over the bus to the Ukrainians.

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1500108250276057090?t=Nh4Ui7lElchWhbdZExA6ag&s=19[/quote]
The Danish sent a convoy of 30 ambulances.

The Invasion is ongoing...Part 8
FacebookPhotos · 05/03/2022 19:02

I know it is going back a bit, but a couple of things about what history is taught in schools.
Firstly, individual schools (particularly academies) have a huge amount of choice over what to teach. Some may do ww2 in great detail, others not cover it at all.
Second, there has been a tendency of secondary schools to start gcse in year 9, so for “options” subjects the kids will necessarily learn less if they don’t pick that one. There is some pushback on this from ofsted.
Thirdly, if a school covers ww2 causes as part of the gcse they are likely to not cover it in much detail in ks3. So kids who don’t take history are limited to what their primary school did (which is necessarily very sanitised).
Fourth, some kids pay absolutely no attention in school and their parents don’t care. Even where kids / parents do care they will prioritise subjects they view as important. I work in a naice school with pretty good behaviour. Yet I regularly hear “my mum said not to worry about rubbish grades in history/geography because I’m dropping it”.

Of course it would be perfectly possible for a government to make “citizenship” type gcse equal standing with maths and English (in school ranking and ofsted terms). And ensure it covers really important stuff, like how politics, international relations (inc war), courts etc all work. But there isn’t the will to do it. Nobody really cares that much if kids understand how our country or the world works.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 05/03/2022 19:02

We'll probably get the first nuke

First or last , probably only a few minutes in it, if it came to that, which it is still incredibly unlikely to.

vera99 · 05/03/2022 19:03

Jessica Simor QC
@JMPSimor
THIS IS AN EU COUNCIL MEETING.

The EU Council Extraordinary Foreign Affairs Council invited Liz Truss (and S/S Blinken) to join them. Despite that, the Foreign Secretary pretends the was the G7 or NATO. Graceless and diplomatically absolutely stupid.
Liz Truss
@trussliz

twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1500069530298691590

MarshaBradyo · 05/03/2022 19:03

@yoolia

We'll probably get the first nuke

Totally unnecessary thing to say.

Agree
Wrongkindofovercoat · 05/03/2022 19:04

Also reports coming through that Germany's stuff isn't useful at all as its rusty/etc

Are those verified reports ? seems odd given how many weapons Germany makes.

Bellalastrasse · 05/03/2022 19:05

@Ahoyaship

I echo other posters on being. Be very careful how you approach this. I kept hearing references to Russian soldiers and felt I should be responsible and find out - I kinda of wish I hadn’t. It was very brutal and dehumanising and to be honest, the thoughts of what happened to the women haunted me.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 19:06

@Wrongkindofovercoat

We'll probably get the first nuke

First or last , probably only a few minutes in it, if it came to that, which it is still incredibly unlikely to.

We are assuming here that the nuke launching system is in a served state.

Given the analogue unencrypted radios, vehicles not moved in over a year with rotten tires, 1950s issue guns and pilots doing bombing raids on handwritten coordinates on a sheet of paper, we may well be worried about precisely nothing at all.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 05/03/2022 19:11

www.massobs.org.uk/write-for-us/12th-may

I really enjoyed Simon Garfield's collection of diary extracts (courtesy of the Mass Observation Society) who are calling for the common man's diary entries this May. Just thinking about this in relation to these threads...

HeadPain · 05/03/2022 19:13

Russia troops shot a family to death in a car including a 5 week old baby and a 6 year old , their mother and two grand parents

www.itv.com/news/2022-03-04/five-week-year-old-baby-killed-with-family-as-they-tried-to-escape-ukraine-war

Justanotherlurker · 05/03/2022 19:14

Are those verified reports ? seems odd given how many weapons Germany makes.

Yeah it seems to be coming from high up channels in Ukrain, apparently the reason is that the weapons sent over are old and hasn't been stored correctly, the new stuff went to the Saudi's in Yemin.

HeadPain · 05/03/2022 19:14

Sorry

HeadPain · 05/03/2022 19:15

Ukraine matters. Ukrainians matter

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2022 19:16

An important message for sharing videos of captured Russian soldiers

twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/1500186681697255427?t=hhmde09k58pmH57c2gCTGg&s=19
Am important message- a couple of the videos circulating today of downed pilots cross the line into verbal abuse and humiliation. There’s others of RU prisoners repeating Ukrainian slogans or messages. All videos of these prisoners are violations of the Geneva conventions

HeadPain · 05/03/2022 19:17

Anything about Naftali Bennett meeting?

DGRossetti · 05/03/2022 19:19

Interesting take on no fly zones. Also if you pay attention, it explains Liz Truss comments last week.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 19:19

Paul Krugman @paulkrugman
The speed with which Russia has been cut off from the world economy has been as stunning as the slowness with which Russian forces have advanced in Ukraine. But can Putin offset the de facto blockade by dealing with China? That would be harder than many imagine 1/

For one thing, while China and Russia are technically neighbors, in economic terms they really aren't. Russia's economy is mostly west of the Urals, China's near the coasts. The population centers of gravity are very far apart 2/

As Noah Smith documents, the economies aren't very complementary either 3/
noahpinion.substack.com/p/how-will-russias-war-affect-china?s=r
How will Russia's war affect China?
I foresee an era of caution and stasis.

Paul Krugman @paulkrugman
Furthermore, Chinese banks — which do a lot of business with the rest of the world — will be very reluctant to deal with Russia 4/

And there's one more point, which I haven't seen people making: the huge imbalance between the national economies. Russia is really tiny compared with China 5/

So if you imagine that China and Russia will somehow form a new authoritarian Axis, Russia would be overwhelmingly the junior partner. In fact, Russia is far less powerful relative to China than Mussolini's Italy was relative to Germany 6/

The only thing Russia might have had to offset this imbalance was its reputation for having a highly effective military machine. That reputation has already been lost in the Ukrainian mud 7/

It would be ironic if Putin's attempt to reestablish the Russian empire ends up turning Russia into a Chinese vassal state. But that's exactly what will happen if he relies on China to bail him out now 8/