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RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 13:17

@smilingthroughgrittedteeth

RedToothBrush my children all watch the news they are 4, 5 and 6yrs we turn off anything with graphic images but we discuss whats going on in the world in terms they can understand, they are much less fearful than their friends whos parents shield them from it as when it inevitably gets mentioned in front of them they are scared whereas mine can all hold a rational conversation about it.

I am rather annoyed by a message on a group chat about a group my 5yr old goes to asking that the children are to be told not to discuss anything about Ukraine so as not to upset any children who arent aware but can we all send the kids with donations on wednesday as they want to send a donation to a charity to help

I'd launch into a MASSIVE rant which probably would upset people if told that. Its a hill to die on for me unfortunately.

Its not for them to parent my child. If they want to live in fantasy land thats up to them, but I won't facilitate fantasy land. For anyone. On anything.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 05/03/2022 13:26

Yelena Osipova - Елена Осипова

74 years old, painter, well known in the city for protesting, so called "St Petersburg's conscience"

A quick google in Russian brings it all up.

Clarefromwork · 05/03/2022 13:26

Apologies if these are silly questions, I’m not at all clued up on the history between Russia and the Ukraine and these topics in general.

First questions is, I keep reading that The Ukraine had gone back on an agreement they made with Russia, is this correct? (if true I’m sure it’s not a simple yes/no answer)

Second questions is, I understand why NATO countries will not put boots on the ground in Ukraine or close air space as this could start WW3 but with all the sanctions being imposed on Russia along with stopping trade etc - is this not risking starting a war with Russia and those countries imposing the sanctions etc on them?

Tigersonvaseline · 05/03/2022 13:26

I think it's about balance.

Many DC. Are living with horror at home.
A dead parent, cancer , severe illness in the family.

Declaring that any parent want's to shield a 5 year old means they are making them live in a fantasy land is a giant unqualified leap.
Unfortunately so many DC don't live in what I would call a stable and safe environment.

We can't assume what is going on for other people or why they make these choices.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 05/03/2022 13:27

Oh sorry, she was 74 in 2019, one of the articles is quite old.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 13:29

Seeing lots and lots of footage of protests in Melitpol.

Of course if lots of people are filming its harder for the Russians to feel they can shoot the crowds.

They may do. But of course its on film.

Such is the power of social media...

MarshaBradyo · 05/03/2022 13:30

Five is fairly young, but it’s up to the parents. I also think that having radio on can be a softer introduction but also just background info

Plus I’d like them to be critically selective re media they consume and be aware of what the push is to get you to click or watch. I’m aware that some media uses heightened emotional triggers and want them to be aware of that and choose how to access news

ClaudineClare · 05/03/2022 13:31

I can't link to the thread for some reason, but a very odd thread has popped up in Chat. It is called:

Ukraine and Russia: Answering common questions and issues

Booklover3 · 05/03/2022 13:32

@CallyfromBlakes7

If older teens and 20 somethings don't know who Hitler was I wonder what they did in history up to the age of 14 because it is usually quite a mixed bag.

I did GCSE history and covered the Weimar republic and the Cold War (I did Tudor history for A level). It could also be that they covered things and have forgotten them - I did immediate post WW2 history of Germany at degree level but I am not sure I could tell you the ins and outs of Adenauers' period as chancellor of Germany now. Although I don't think you'd forget who Hitler was and what happened at Auschwitz.

Sorry I am behind and catching up but I couldn’t not comment.

I don’t really understand how teenagers have no idea who Hitler was. I just asked my six and seven year old children if they knew of him and they do. They also have a basic grasp of what he did… the same as they have a basic grasp of Putin and what he’s currently doing to Ukraine.

My knowledge in history is sadly lacking and at school we covered WW1 and WW2 relentlessly (almost to the detriment of any other historical period) to the point where I remember disengaging with the lesson. That was from the ages of 11-14. I was so disengaged that I stopped and didn’t take history at GCSE level… which was a shame because I can’t be alone in feeling the way I did.

BigHuff · 05/03/2022 13:35

@Clarefromwork

Apologies if these are silly questions, I’m not at all clued up on the history between Russia and the Ukraine and these topics in general.

First questions is, I keep reading that The Ukraine had gone back on an agreement they made with Russia, is this correct? (if true I’m sure it’s not a simple yes/no answer)

Second questions is, I understand why NATO countries will not put boots on the ground in Ukraine or close air space as this could start WW3 but with all the sanctions being imposed on Russia along with stopping trade etc - is this not risking starting a war with Russia and those countries imposing the sanctions etc on them?

Second question is a very relevant one.

Lemonandlime123 · 05/03/2022 13:37

[quote workisnotawolf]@Andouillette- I am not sure if schools can teach everything. Most of the historical and scientific knowledge my kids have come from discussions at home, reading newspapers, listening to the radio together and travel/museum trips. Just like most of their proper literature reading is done in their spare time/holidays not in English lessons at school.[/quote]
The Holocaust is a statutory part of the History curriculum.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2022 13:37

@Tigersonvaseline

I think it's about balance.

Many DC. Are living with horror at home.
A dead parent, cancer , severe illness in the family.

Declaring that any parent want's to shield a 5 year old means they are making them live in a fantasy land is a giant unqualified leap.
Unfortunately so many DC don't live in what I would call a stable and safe environment.

We can't assume what is going on for other people or why they make these choices.

Well thats up to the parents to manage. Not me to facilitate. It is important to me, NOT to shield my child.

You can't avoid real life and shelter them from this. Its too big.

They go to school. How are they going to stop kids in the class saying something or kids in other years saying something?

Its completely unrealistic nonsense. Regardless of issues at home. Its fantasy land thinking.

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2022 13:37

Clarefromwork

It is Ukraine without 'the'

Tigersonvaseline · 05/03/2022 13:38

Did anyone see BBC news this am.
A young teen called V something? Perhaps Valeria?
She's been filming her now life on tik rock or Instagram.
It struck me as being a little Anne Frank.
She's living in the basement of her home, intimate pictures of cooking, family life , but she's also showing the destruction on her road.
It's very personal and intimate.

Very compelling if anyone knows who I'm referring too can they link how to follow her please.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 05/03/2022 13:40

@ClaudineClare

I can't link to the thread for some reason, but a very odd thread has popped up in Chat. It is called:

Ukraine and Russia: Answering common questions and issues

The instigator of the thread seems knowledgeable on the subject and unbot like. What are your concerns Claudine?

ClaudineClare · 05/03/2022 13:40

@ClaudineClare

I can't link to the thread for some reason, but a very odd thread has popped up in Chat. It is called:

Ukraine and Russia: Answering common questions and issues

Maybe it is genuine, but it seems odd for a new poster to set themselves up as an expert, has anyone had a look?

FatFucker · 05/03/2022 13:42

@ParsleySageRosemary

The issue with education is that too much is left to the schools and they are taking too much on themselves.

We have a national Remembrance Day and service for this reason, to remember the wars. How many people recently have said it’s time to get rid of it as it’s ‘not relevant any more’? How much has attendance dropped?

It will always be relevant. The accusations of western degeneration have a lot of validity, and while it is every parent’s duty to raise their young the bloody government and culture for the last 40 years have worked against them .

I'm not sure who is saying this and where you are getting your information that attendance at Remembrance Sunday dropping, as this is certainly not the case.

In fact every year is seeing an increase in attendance and the donations to the RBL's Poppy Appeal go up every year too.

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2022 13:45

ClaudinrClare Maybe it is genuine, but it seems odd for a new poster to set themselves up as an expert, has anyone had a look?

They seem to use the same sources as posted on these threads.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 05/03/2022 13:45

Maybe it is genuine, but it seems odd for a new poster to set themselves up as an expert

Currently suspended.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4497259-Ukraine-and-Russia-Answering-common-questions-and-issues

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 05/03/2022 13:45

ClaudineClare the thread's been suspended whilst they look into it so MN obviously think it's suspect

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 05/03/2022 13:46

I'm going to link something I linked in one of the old threads, it's a behavioural analysis of Putin.

One thing the panel brought up is the use of language, but it wasn't obvious unless you speak Russian. .

Putin keeps saying "Listen to me", "Now listen", the interpreter uses "Look" in his interpretation. Listen has a different connotation. Someone with a low rank is expected to say "Слушаю", the equivalent of "Yes Sir', and it's submissive to the person with the higher rank, and this is what Putin expects.

CallyfromBlakes7 · 05/03/2022 13:47

First questions is, I keep reading that The Ukraine had gone back on an agreement they made with Russia, is this correct? (if true I’m sure it’s not a simple yes/no answer

it's the other way round - Ukraine gave up the Soviet nuclear weapons on its soil because it could not maintain them (and there was a worry around the world that Soviet weapons could fall into the wrong hands after the break-up of the USSR). In return, Russia, the US and the UK (and others?) agreed to protect its sovereignty. Not much evidence of Russia meeting its side of the bargain.

There is some talk of NATO promising not to expand eastwards, but even if that was true, it wasn't for those at the time to tie the hands of sovereign states later - and ex-Soviet satellites such as Poland and ex-USSR-states such as Estonia joined.

ClaudineClare · 05/03/2022 13:47

I can still see it for some reason!

ClaudineClare · 05/03/2022 13:48

Oh suspended not deleted.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 05/03/2022 13:49

@ClaudineClare

I can still see it for some reason!

Suspended doesn't mean deleted: it means MNHQ are looking at it so it might reopen or not or be deleted after the investigation.