Russia puts its nuclear deterrent on high alert

[Libertybear80]

Does anyone know what that actually means? Is he threatening nuclear war?

@YouCantTourniquetTheTaint

He's not going to touch a NATO country as that will bring NATO into the conflict and Russia cannot fight NATO also, it would end in mutually assured destruction.

He didn't bank on the response from the Ukraine and the world to the Ukraine. I bet he didn't bank on the response from the Russian people either, because they do not back the war.

Its more sabre rattling, I hope someone puts a bullet in his skull, or poisons him before it gets that far, I hope the equivalent of the KGB sees the bigger picture, and takes him out before he has the chance to do anything that serious.

I hope those in his inner circle realise that if they start a war on NATO, Russia will never come out on top. They will be gone very quickly. And I hope they realise that includes their families and see that the best thing, is a bullet between his eyes. The world would be a much better and safer place without him.

@Theunamedcat

I'm putting the heating on fuck the bill

😂😂😂🤣

@BettyBag

Russia using nuclear missiles doesn't mean one bomb in one city. It means hundreds of bombs across all NATO countries. Same vice versa. That's what mutually assured destruction means. Not tit for tat bombs.

The only way you "win" in a nuclear war is to hit as much as you can as fast as you can and hope the other side can't reciprocate fast enough. That's why hypersonic missiles, missiles defence systems and space missiles are such a concern, anything that can hit all targets simultaneously without warning or take down nukes before they hit means that somebody can potentially launch a nuclear attack without reciprocation and ends the concept of mutually assured destruction.

Surely that would be suicide? Even if Russia wasn't hit back, they would die from the fallout of hundreds of nuclear bombs going off across the continent.

@Theunamedcat

I'm putting the heating on fuck the bill

😂😂😂😂

Liz Truss did not encourage people to go and fight. She essentially said it was up to them and they/she would respect their wishes. Because that’s what we do here.

Re: nuclear weapons on land - they’re on submarines and on land. Not sure how they’re divvied up or if the ‘at sea ones’ are bigger or whatever but yes, on land too.

Another one here who just hopes someone on the inside takes him out. Not sure where it would have to escalate to for that happen though, given how terrible he’s been already. Surely, a spy or something could get to him. Isn’t that their forte? (I fully accept that I may have just watched too many films.)

Surely his inner circle isn’t mad enough for nuclear war? They would know the worlds nukes are aimed at them and they would be evaporated too within minutes. I suspect there is a bullet with Putins name on somewhere close, either his own people or special forces

You'd hope so. I do believe Putin wouldn't necessarily care if he himself got wiped out (but then again look how careful he was to avoid Covid so you never know) but those around him won't want it. Nor will the oligarchs want to be hit in the wallet I should think. There must be a fair few around him who are unhappy.

Very scary times. This reminds me of my childhood during the 70s and 80s. For a few golden years I thought we were beyond this.

I don't think he would nuke the uk, where else would all the dirty money get laundered?

@ABitOfAShitShow

Liz Truss did not encourage people to go and fight. She essentially said it was up to them and they/she would respect their wishes. Because that’s what we do here.

Re: nuclear weapons on land - they’re on submarines and on land. Not sure how they’re divvied up or if the ‘at sea ones’ are bigger or whatever but yes, on land too.

Another one here who just hopes someone on the inside takes him out. Not sure where it would have to escalate to for that happen though, given how terrible he’s been already. Surely, a spy or something could get to him. Isn’t that their forte? (I fully accept that I may have just watched too many films.)

I thought so. Although I wasn't sure.

@BettyBag

Russia using nuclear missiles doesn't mean one bomb in one city. It means hundreds of bombs across all NATO countries.

It actually might mean one bomb on one city…though hopefully there will be none at all.

There has always been thinking that somebody wanting to make a point in the event of a major conflict might authorise selective release of a few nuclear weapons against specified target(s), probably not capital cities, in opposition countries with a view to making the opposing politicians sit up, take notice and engage in negotiations.

The idea of Selective release is in the public domain/open source, has been for years, and even made into at least one Cold War era future history (Hackett, “The Third World War: The Untold Story).

Nukes are always on alert. The US fly regular patterns with nuclear weapons. A circular path around the US and a US to Europe. This allows them to turn towards their target whilst airborne. However nukes don't just get released. There is a command chain. No one is threatening Russia. The Cuban crisis was quite different.

I'm more worried about whatever the fuck they are up to at Chernobyl

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Also - if he did hit a button, it’s not necessarily game over. The allies have anti-ballistic missiles that can shoot nukes down (and they’re not likely to detonate mid-air). I don’t think he’d have the advantage of the element of surprise right now. Everyone with the power to do so will be actively on alert.

I know you can’t magically make yourself un-anxious (I panic about lots of stupid things, just not this) but for those of you struggling, please try not to worry. Most of the things we worry about don’t happen.

People are happy supporting Ukraine, sending weapons, saying they will fight, flag emojis, refusing to play them in football. Instead make people fearful, make them demand diplomatic solution from their leaders, bring them out on the streets protesting arms sales. It works. Look at this thread.

This.

@midnightMeltdown

The understanding is that the fallout is the least of your worries as you will certainly be hit back. That's the point of NATO, the nuclear powers can have nuclear weapons set up on Russias border. So even if they hit the US effectively and destroy their military command they can launch from another base. Due to the distance it would be really difficult to launch simultaneous strikes without warning.

Yes the fallout is bad and no good for conquest but depending on the nature of the bombs it wouldn't need to end the world. Don't forget they have been testing nukes on land for decades. There have only ever been 2 nuclear attacks but hundreds of nuclear bombs have gone off on land during testing and we still all live here.

Someone needs to put a bullet or 3 to him. Surely there would be no consequences if they did. It's too much now. My anxiety is through the roof 😢

If the Russian forces tamper with radiation in Chernobyl (if they are able to), how far could the consequences of that reach? I am genuinely curious

[quote notimagain]@BettyBag

Russia using nuclear missiles doesn't mean one bomb in one city. It means hundreds of bombs across all NATO countries.

It actually might mean one bomb on one city…though hopefully there will be none at all.

There has always been thinking that somebody wanting to make a point in the event of a major conflict might authorise selective release of a few nuclear weapons against specified target(s), probably not capital cities, in opposition countries with a view to making the opposing politicians sit up, take notice and engage in negotiations.

The idea of Selective release is in the public domain/open source, has been for years, and even made into at least one Cold War era future history (Hackett, “The Third World War: The Untold Story).[/quote]
I don't buy it, too risky.

I've never prayed for someones death before but I just have for Putins.

I hope the people/police/army come to realise that he is insane and will not succeed. I’m hoping for a coup.

@ABitOfAShitShow

Also - if he did hit a button, it’s not necessarily game over. The allies have anti-ballistic missiles that can shoot nukes down (and they’re not likely to detonate mid-air). I don’t think he’d have the advantage of the element of surprise right now. Everyone with the power to do so will be actively on alert.

I know you can’t magically make yourself un-anxious (I panic about lots of stupid things, just not this) but for those of you struggling, please try not to worry. Most of the things we worry about don’t happen.

I don't worry about anything. Ever. But this has unnerved me a bit

It means nothing, it's always on alert.
This is just intimidation, bullying.

Can one of you experts explain to us what happens if a nuclear bomb is launched, if shot down, what happens to the nuclear stuff?!

I do believe Putin wouldn't necessarily care if he himself got wiped out (but then again look how careful he was to avoid Covid so you never know)

I hadn’t thought about this but it’s a really good point @Poetrypatty. He’s been neurotic about focus so he can’t be that blasé about his life (ill or not). Unless he wants to go out in a blaze of ‘glory’. I suppose. Because I can only assume all this is an attempt to write himself into the history books.

Yes he is threatening us. If he gets away with it he will do the same again next time hd decides to invade a country. I think Russia should be booted out of the UN. Trump would have sorted him out IMHO.