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Russia puts its nuclear deterrent on high alert

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Libertybear80 · 27/02/2022 14:04

Does anyone know what that actually means? Is he threatening nuclear war?

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Xenia · 27/02/2022 18:42

I still have my copy of Protect and Survive which every home was given in about 1980 to help us in case of nuclear attack. I remember it was important to have some bottled water as radiation could get into the tap water and some kind of cupboard under the stairs might be useful too.

digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/110193.pdf?v=c77f06e782d33a2ec8bf00d7c597ea10

It includes help with arranging a fall out room in your house and inner refuge.

Highwind · 27/02/2022 18:43

Times like that I am very glad that we didn’t elect a Corbyn Labour government, as we probably wouldn’t have any military, nukes or nuclear defence now.

We need to up our military budget. With this sort of aggression coming from the East. it is clearly vital we are able to respond to defend ourselves and aid our allies.

raspberryjamchicken · 27/02/2022 18:43

@Classica

I have actually been quite surprised to see such a "traditional" tanks and foot soldiers style of warfare from Russia.

Boris Johnson scoffed at the suggestion a couple of months ago. That aged well for him.

First time Boris and I have something in common. I guess it worked well for Putin in Crimea so I shouldn't be that surprised.

If nothing else, perhaps Western governments will think twice about further cuts to their military budgets.

notimagain · 27/02/2022 18:43

@raspberryjamchicken

I have actually been quite surprised to see such a "traditional" tanks and foot soldiers style of warfare from Russia. I studied International Relations nearly 20 years ago (certainly from the more powerful nations) and even then we were told this type of warfare was rarely going to be seen any more and it would all be chemical weapons, drones etc and, more recently, cyber warfare.
If they didn’t also teach that boots on the ground was always a possibility in any conflict I’d be asking for my money back…

The supposedly high tech, low manpower, cyber war, all done from an armchair philosophy has been popular in some places for some time (especially amongst politicians) I suspect because it can be used to justify a reduction in size of regular forces.

The reality is just about every modern ground war the conflict has ended up with the poor *** infantry, or an equivalent, slogging it out to occupy the ground.

RishiRich · 27/02/2022 18:44

I would be extremely worried if I was living in Sweden or Finland (Ukraine goes without saying). On Russia's border, aligned with the West but not in NATO and Putin's gone insane and started waving his nuclear weapons around.

RestingMurderousFace · 27/02/2022 18:45

He's humiliated and throwing a tantrum.

Gynaesaur · 27/02/2022 18:46

@Highwind

Times like that I am very glad that we didn’t elect a Corbyn Labour government, as we probably wouldn’t have any military, nukes or nuclear defence now.

We need to up our military budget. With this sort of aggression coming from the East. it is clearly vital we are able to respond to defend ourselves and aid our allies.

Out of interest, at what point would you recommend this country detonate nuclear weapons? And where?
Alexandra2001 · 27/02/2022 18:47

@Highwind

Times like that I am very glad that we didn’t elect a Corbyn Labour government, as we probably wouldn’t have any military, nukes or nuclear defence now.

We need to up our military budget. With this sort of aggression coming from the East. it is clearly vital we are able to respond to defend ourselves and aid our allies.

You do realise its the Tories who have devastated our conventional forces and it was Corbyn who wanted more conventional force spending plus Corbyn approved Trident replacement in their manifesto? their manifesto is still on line for you to check.

I really wish intelligent people wouldn't read the Sun or Express.

Boris has just signed of another cut of 10,000 in our armed forces personal, bring the Army infantry down to 19000 men and women.

sairiegamp · 27/02/2022 18:49

If putin is ill as said by PPs, he may be all the more inclined to take the world out ... "if I'm gonna die then those bastards are gonna die too" thinking.

Flowersandhearts · 27/02/2022 18:50

It's very scary. I hope someone takes him down.

Alexandra2001 · 27/02/2022 18:51

If nothing else, perhaps Western governments will think twice about further cuts to their military budgets

Germany has just announced they will spend an additional 100 billion Euros on defence this year alone, twice the UK's defence budget. so Putin has succeeded in uniting the West, NATO and the EU.

goodnightgrumble · 27/02/2022 18:51

[quote LightfoldEngines]@RedToothBrush thankyou for that post, the only way I’ve been able to explain it to my eldest DD who is 13 is that an increasingly irrelevant man has decided to swing his tiny dick around, it’s backfired because he’s such a Narc he can’t imagine things not going his way and now he’s probably having a cry wank whilst muttering that everyone still loves him and he IS a big boy that everyone is definitely scared of BlushGrin

I’m not the most articulate (unless it’s Science, that I can explain very, very well), but I am creative Grin[/quote]
This really made me chuckle! 😂

Smashedavacado · 27/02/2022 18:53

So surely the moment Russia sends a nuclear missile to the UK another NATO country will reciprocate with one to Russia. Isn't that how it works? Why would Putin even thinks that's a good move?

Inastatus · 27/02/2022 18:53

@Highwind

Times like that I am very glad that we didn’t elect a Corbyn Labour government, as we probably wouldn’t have any military, nukes or nuclear defence now.

We need to up our military budget. With this sort of aggression coming from the East. it is clearly vital we are able to respond to defend ourselves and aid our allies.

@Highwind - my thoughts exactly!
OwlyOctober · 27/02/2022 18:54

@Xenia funnily enough we rewatched 'Threads' last week. Harrowing stuff

HonestandFair · 27/02/2022 18:54

[quote Jenasaurus]The US has moved to DEFCON 2

www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/who-blinks-first-in-ukraine[/quote]
No problem you do what you want and ill do what I want. Im just being a realist which in this scenario means anything can happen!!

oakleaffy · 27/02/2022 18:56

@RestingMurderousFace

He's humiliated and throwing a tantrum.
But this time it's Nukes and Thermobaric missiles he's throwing out the pram... A monumental ''Dummy spit'' with potentially devastating consequences for us all in Northern Hemisphere.
Cailleach · 27/02/2022 18:58

The problem with being a brutal dictator who stabs and slashes his way to the top - literally - is that you will not be a hard man for ever: age and infirmity will catch up with you eventually, no matter who you are.

I am reminded of the death of old Joe Stalin, who fell out of bed in his later years and was not found for hours as his guards, who were petrified of him, didn't dare to disturb his sleep.

When his doctors were summoned to care for him, they didn't want to pronounce one way or the other what was wrong because Stalin had in the recent past sent some of his doctors to the gulag simply because he didn't like what they'd told him.

Fearing Stalin's rage, they messaged the Soviet high command who, oddly enough, took their sweet time deciding what to do next, possibly because they wanted Stalin dead themselves. Lavrentiy Beria, who was pretty much Stalin's deputy at the time, saw Stalin's unconscious body in his piss-soaked clothing and told his guards to "leave Comrade Stalin alone as he is clearly sleeping. "

There is a glorious bit in Krushchev's memoirs where Beria had "gone about spewing hatred of Stalin and mocking him" as his leader lay unconscious, only to drop to his knees and kiss Stalin's ring as he briefly came too as Beria stood by his sick bed.

As soon as Stalin passed out again, Beria leapt to his feet - and spat on the floor.

Anyway, it was.some time before they sent Stalin's current medics to speak to the imprisoned doctors who had been treating him, who promptly confirmed that he'd had a series of minor strokes recently, which they had been trying to treat, not that Stalin wanted to hear any of that.

Stalin died a week after his fall - his daughter said that at the end he choked to death in great agony. He had probably suffered one last massive stroke, which would likely have killed him anyway, but the delays in getting any medics to treat him undoubtedly didn't help.

Putin, of course was a good little Communist...so much so in fact that he was a high ranking member of the KGB for some years. I feel certain he has heard the story of Stalin's death...how could he not have?

Dictators are surrounded by people who are too terrified to tell them the truth, and people who are just waiting for their turn to stick the knife in, possibly literally, as soon as they show the slightest sign of weakness. They have few people around them that they can really trust - 'tis the nature of the beast, alas and the story of Stalin's pathetic end illustrates this quite nicely.

Vladimir Putin is now a very sick man, if the rumours are true.

Oh dear.....

oakleaffy · 27/02/2022 19:01

@RestingMurderousFace

He's humiliated and throwing a tantrum.
But this time it's Nukes and Thermobaric missiles he's throwing out the pram... A monumental ''Dummy spit'' with potentially devastating consequences for us all in Northern Hemisphere.
thenightsky · 27/02/2022 19:01

@Xenia

I still have my copy of Protect and Survive which every home was given in about 1980 to help us in case of nuclear attack. I remember it was important to have some bottled water as radiation could get into the tap water and some kind of cupboard under the stairs might be useful too.

digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/110193.pdf?v=c77f06e782d33a2ec8bf00d7c597ea10

It includes help with arranging a fall out room in your house and inner refuge.

Yes, so have I. Weren't we supposed to build some kind of shelter using the table.

I've got the original Raymond Briggs cartoon book of When The Wind Blows too.

Poetrypatty · 27/02/2022 19:02

People like him don't give a shit about their own children or anyone elses.Their concern begins and ends with themselves.

justasking111 · 27/02/2022 19:03

[quote Jenasaurus]The US has moved to DEFCON 2

www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/who-blinks-first-in-ukraine[/quote]
This article was written on Feb 11th. Take a chill pillSmile

Viviennemary · 27/02/2022 19:03

What's meant to be wrong with Putin. Medically speaking that is.

EezyOozy · 27/02/2022 19:04

Cancer and Parkinson's , or so I read online ...

Indoctro · 27/02/2022 19:04

@hilbil21

I'm really trying not to be scared but I live a few miles from Faslane naval base. Would there be any point in me travelling to stay with family in England or if he uses nuclear weapons is that basically the end for all of us? (Sorry to be so downbeat)
@hilbil21

To be honest you would be best to be nuked in the blast. Life after a nuclear war is bleak and humans would pretty much be extinct within 4 years from starvation

This is actually a very interesting video but throughly frightening at the same time but at least prepares you for what we would face

fb.watch/brxbdvC70s/