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Russia puts its nuclear deterrent on high alert

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Libertybear80 · 27/02/2022 14:04

Does anyone know what that actually means? Is he threatening nuclear war?

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sonicshoegazes · 27/02/2022 16:53

Eu are now providing arms to Ukraine 🇺🇦

This is a very scary time.

Zillamop · 27/02/2022 16:55

Liz Truss needs to shut the fuck up

Why? Should only men say what needs saying? She is entitled to her opinion.

Kassle · 27/02/2022 16:56

I get the distinc feeling that a lot of people would have preferred Ukraine to lay down their arms and surrender, thus giving Putin what he wanted and reducing the threat to "us".

I hate to break it to you but if they'd done that he would not have stopped with Ukraine. This was not a question of if but a question of when.

Kassle · 27/02/2022 16:57

Why? Should only men say what needs saying? She is entitled to her opinion.

Oh come off it, the male politicians get blasted as much as the women do on this site.

GreenClock · 27/02/2022 16:59

@Bettyboopawoop

I think his own government will turn on him or someone will take him out.
I have a feeling that you’re right.
Pandai · 27/02/2022 17:00

@elfycat

Can I imagine Brits picking up weapons and fighting - err yes.

There are a lot of retired and ex soldiers for starters. Bearing in mind they only do 22 years there are a load of 'veterans' in their 40s and 50s. One is sitting across from me. OK to be fair he'd probably return to sitting behind the lines and fixing stuff as he sips coffee, but that's because an electronics nerd and his skill set. He never shot at anything alive but had a good aim at the targets. If the targets were after his DC? Yeah...

I can't imagine anything like the way those in Ukraine have been willing to fight though- men and women. Really truly inspiring, as is their leader. I don't think it'd be the same here at all.
Infinitemoon · 27/02/2022 17:02

I am annoyed MP's are putting our lives in so much danger tbh. Liz Truss should resign. I would also be worried if I was Scottish too. NS said some equally inflammatory nonsense yesterday.

chairbumg · 27/02/2022 17:04

I am annoyed MP's are putting our lives in so much danger tbh. Liz Truss should resign.

Jfc!

CarlCarlson · 27/02/2022 17:07

@Infinitemoon

“ I am annoyed MP's are putting our lives in so much danger tbh. Liz Truss should resign. I would also be worried if I was Scottish too. NS said some equally inflammatory nonsense yesterday.”

What do you mean??

Kassle · 27/02/2022 17:07

I am annoyed MP's are putting our lives in so much danger tbh. Liz Truss should resign. I would also be worried if I was Scottish too. NS said some equally inflammatory nonsense yesterday.

FFS, there is no POINT pandering to Putin. He has to be stopped now. He can't be appeased.

Prescottdanni123 · 27/02/2022 17:13

@Pandai

We've done it before. Dunkirk - civilians in rowing boats set out to risk their lives to bring our stranded soldiers back in very dangerous circumstances.

Both WW1 and WW2, British men fought in horrendous conditions in trenches, women drove ambulances across battlefields and toiled for hours working in ammunition factories and on the land. So fierce was our fighting spirit that Hitler didn't dare invade when he had the chance. Our supply of weapons was so low at one point, my grandfather was patrolling the coastline with a wooden gun over his shoulder to make it look like he was armed. He wasn't the only one. And he always claimed that if he had seen Nazis landing, he would have used this wooden gun to batter them with. Because letting them invade wasn't an option. That was the mentality of most British at the time, fight until your last breath.

Classica · 27/02/2022 17:20

@Bettyboopawoop

I think his own government will turn on him or someone will take him out.
Hopefully. If any of them can get close. He keeps himself so isolated even from his own right hand men. Apparently switches out bodyguards every few days. But yes, a coup would be very welcome.
Russia puts its nuclear deterrent on high alert
justasking111 · 27/02/2022 17:22

@Infinitemoon

I am annoyed MP's are putting our lives in so much danger tbh. Liz Truss should resign. I would also be worried if I was Scottish too. NS said some equally inflammatory nonsense yesterday.
Not sure you understand the British psyche Wales have also spoken out against Russia .
Classica · 27/02/2022 17:23

@BenjiMcSchmenzie

Putin is definitely seriously (physically) unwell.
  • It’s obvious from his puffy face, and tightly-stretched skin on his cheeks, that he’s taking steroids - anyone who’s ever had to take prednisolone for cancer, lung disease etc will recognise this side-effect.
  • he’s paranoid about Covid

Let’s hope that either the cancer or a bullet gets him within the week 🤞

I've read reports saying he has abdominal cancer as well as Parkinson's. But who knows, if it's unverifiable.
JuergenSchwarzwald · 27/02/2022 17:30

@sonicshoegazes

Eu are now providing arms to Ukraine 🇺🇦

This is a very scary time.

The EU is not. The EU doesn't have any! It's just trying to add to the pressure.

EU countries were gradually shutting their airspace down to Russian planes and they were offering arms to Ukraine.

JudgeJ · 27/02/2022 17:35

@daisychain01

He's being backed into a corner.

He doesn't actually have any strategy what would happen after defeating and fully occupying Ukraine, so this, plus the fact his master plan isn't going the way he was expecting and the whole world is against him, is enough for him to feel that all he has left is nuclear.

We need to bring Special Forces in. They probably already know where he's holed up.

As the Task Force was starting the long journey to the Falkland Islands in the early 90s a dear friend of ours who had served in the Special Forces commented There'll be no-one at home in Hereford tonight! (Not sure the they're still based there) We really don't know a small part of what's happening behind the scenes and long may that continue! We wondered why, as civilians working with MOD, we had to sign the Official Secrets Act, we certainly found out during that and other periods.
Seeingadistance · 27/02/2022 17:37

@Mummyoflittledragon

Very scary times. This reminds me of my childhood during the 70s and 80s. For a few golden years I thought we were beyond this.
Yep, same here.

When I was a child in the 70s, my classmates and I were glad that we lived next to a naval base. As it would be a target it meant that we’d die instantly, which we reckoned was better than whatever surviving a nuclear strike might look like.

Remembering that now, in my 50s.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2022 17:39

Modern warfare isn't just about the battle field and weapons. Its never been - propaganda has always matters, but its mattered more and more since Vietnam and war reporting being constant do to the rise of mass media. In this sense, wars don't happen in far away places like they used to and governments have to manage their home front and their war front well.

Since Putin started the invasion things haven't gone well for Putin on the Propaganda War.

His pretext to war was that Russia needed to go to war because there was a threat to Russians in the disputed regions of Ukraine. He started a panic, and told people to evacuate because they were at risk. These pictures were broadcast back to Russia. The Russian parliament were asked to vote to recognise these regions - the suggestion being that this would maybe bring peace. Of course, since Putin was intending to invade this was a pile of rot. But none the less many Russians (including at least two Duma MPs who have since publicly said they feel misled) believed this to be true.

What Putin really underestimated was quite how good the Ukranian propaganda and communication would be. The Ukranian President didn't buckle and run away from the intimidation of the invasion. He stayed and has unifyed his people and managed to rally support around him. The resistance on the ground produced a lot of images which don't look good for Putin.

Instead of there being a resounding swift victory, there were images of broken down tanks and rather inept Russian soliders. This makes Putin as a military leader look weak.

His next response has been to shut down twitter, facebook and youtube in Russia. This isn't what many expected. There was a fear that instead Western social media would be filled with gloating Russians saying how strong they were and how the West were to blame etc etc. And this would scare the West and deter them from getting involved because their voters didn't want to get involved in a war far away from home.

Instead, the images have horrified the world and the Ukranian President has inspired strength and support.

Remember the war was about regaining Putin in particular an image of being in control and being strong - covid has been a blow to Russia and there have been increasing rumblings about Putin himself with small, but growing protests at his rule. He had felt as if Russia had been slighted and wasn't respected and he had an agenda about rebuilding the glory of the Soviet Sphere of influence under the Russian Flag.

So he's been a bit pissed at how things have gone before and he's facing growing questions about his leadership. The decision over SWIFT and sanctions have gone further than pretty much in the west thought possible, so it's very likely to have caught Putin off guard too. He hadn't planned for the eventuality.

Tomorrow its likely there will be a big run on the Russian banks as it kicks in and Russians suddenly realise this isn't a 'special operation' (the word war has been banned) and its not far away and is going to effect them badly. The war has been brought to their door so now Putin has to justify it.

So the address about nukes:

There are two audiences here - the Russian domestic audience and the International one.

Putin has two key things he needs to get across - a position of strength to counter the damage to his strongman reputation thats occurred and to try and fracture the western alliance and support for Ukraine via threats and intimidation.

He wants to frighten and concern western public - in order to try and get them to undermine support from their governments for supporting Ukraine. Talking about nukes is frightening. Its supposed to be. Its supposed to be fucking with your head. Its supposed to make you doubt that your country is doing the right thing. It does not mean he is definitely planning to use them. Its from a position of weakness in his military plans and his propaganda war so far. He's trying to control of the narrative back.

He also has to double down on the 'moral cause' of the pretext to the war. He has to play the victim, at risk from the West's aggression to justify the war, which is going to bring home a lot more body bags than he had imagined. Like Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam for the Americans, body bags going home upset normal Russians. He needs them to feel that they have no choice but to fight or support the war. So what better way to suggest you are being threatened than to ready the defensive nuclear units? Why would you do this if there's no threat? He's trying to rally his people in part to stave off the anger that the banking crisis will bring. Again this is coming from a position of weakness.

My point here is this isn't necessarily anything to do with an actual military threat of nukes.

This is probably more about the propaganda war and Putin's need for crisis management following the last few days of things not going as well as hoped and the danger of him being percieved as weak. Its the classic go on the offensive approach.

If you remember from the Iraq War and 'Comical Ali' as he became dubbed, this isn't necessarily dissimilar. Comical Ali went on TV saying there were no tanks near Baghdad to try and retain control of a rapidly degenerating situation, even as US forces were already within the city limits.

Dictators always must maintain the facade of control and being strong otherwise, they personally, are at risk of losing power.

This moment is a real moment of threat to Putin.

It is potentially a moment of great risk to Europe so we shouldn't automatically dismiss it, but we should certainly put it into clear context: this is a boss who has had a bad week and so is taking it out on his staff and blaming others inside and outside the company for his own fuckups. Whether he decides he ultimately want to liquidate the company just out of frustration and spite is a much bigger step to take and really not as likely.

He's trying to fuck with your head. Understand he's trying to manipulate and scare you.

hilbil21 · 27/02/2022 17:39

@Seeingadistance I'm in Helensburgh so need to think that way too right now Confused

LazyDaisy22 · 27/02/2022 17:39

The EU doesn’t possess weapons but will fund the provision of them by reimbursing member countries - according to a BBC reporter

Motherdare · 27/02/2022 17:41

How can one individual have more power than anyone else in his country? He is one small man. If (as we are led to believe) others don’t agree with his actions and believe him capable of atrocities, why can’t they take him down? Why?

justasking111 · 27/02/2022 17:41

[quote hilbil21]@Seeingadistance I'm in Helensburgh so need to think that way too right now Confused[/quote]
I've toured the base there many moons ago

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 27/02/2022 17:42

I remember my history in teacher in 1979 when l was doing my O levels, telling us we’d all be dead in a nuclear war and there was no point in doing themConfused

When Dd was born in 1993, the Berlin Wall had come down 4 years earlier. I was so happy he was being born into a safer world.

And look where we are nowSad

justasking111 · 27/02/2022 17:43

@Motherdare

How can one individual have more power than anyone else in his country? He is one small man. If (as we are led to believe) others don’t agree with his actions and believe him capable of atrocities, why can’t they take him down? Why?
He rides bears. So many action man narc. Photos over the years. Yet he's the one hiding out in the Urals. Typical narcissistic personality
Babyvenusplant · 27/02/2022 17:44

@chairbumg

The preppers board will be on fire 😆
😂😂 would love to see the contents of their packs for a nuke attack