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Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra Surrogacy

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MintyGreenDream · 22/01/2022 10:25

I'm usually open minded about these things but it appears that they've admitted that she doesn't have fertility issues but her schedule was too "hectic" to fit in conceiving a baby.Wtaf.
Sorry but this seems very wrong

Nick Jonas and Priyanka welcome baby girl 12 weeks early mol.im/a/10428475 via dailym.ai/android

Sorry for the dm article

  • [Title edited by MNHQ to say Nick Jonas, not Joe Jonas]
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HelloFrostyMorning · 22/01/2022 12:07

And at least with a surrogate, it is usually not the surrogate's egg!

SleepingStandingUp · 22/01/2022 12:07

Just because the source doesn't know doesn't mean there isn't fertility issues. Maybe she doesn't want to discuss it. Maybe the surrogate is perfectly aware of the risks and doesn't feel under pressure to do it to afford to live.

But

The baby girl and the surrogate are currently in hospital and Nick and Priyanka are waiting for the baby to be healthy enough to move to a hospital in Los Angeles

That is supposed to be their baby. They're possibly very poorly, certainly very vulnerable baby and they're just carrying on with their lives until SHE can come to THEM?? Meanwhile the birth mother is expected to be there, probably attached to a milk pump to get milk for when baby can feed. If they haven't got enough time for sex, or to be with their ill child, how the fuck will they parent her? And what if it transpires she has brain damage or other disabilities from her birth - how will they have time to be parents to a child who takes up every moment of your life with their medical needs??

Surrogacy aside, I'd have respect for them if they were trying to get to their child. Not waiting for the parcel to be delivered on its due date when it's all fixed and working properly.

Im2022 · 22/01/2022 12:10

I absolutely hate this woman. Meant to be a unicef goodwill ambassador and then tweeted her support of the Indian army when they bombed Pakistan occupied Kashmir, where hundreds of children are killed, and many children unable to go to school. Disgusting.

God knows what important work she’s doing where she can’t take a break to have a baby. I find that so vulgar. Handmaid’s Tale-esque. Poor baby is now in hospital, wonder if she’ll take time out to visit it?

RegardingMary · 22/01/2022 12:10

In a country where its illegal to rent out your body for an hour, when at any time you can say no or stop.

It is also legal to rent out your body for 9 months and be put in a situation that could cause huge detriment to your health and your unable to stop or say no hald way through.

Surrogacy is horrific.

ConstantCougher · 22/01/2022 12:10

Oh jeez! Another surrogacy / woman bashing thread!
The surrogate obviously knowingly knows what she is doing, non issue. And she’s using an agency. As for ‘rich’ people ‘renting’ their wombs out, some may consider a 4/5 time surrogate ‘rich’ if she is getting around £30k per pregnancy!! That’s in the U.K. so in the US as it is commercial the £ are in the £000,000’s!
I think many surrogates are rich!

SpookyScarySkeletons · 22/01/2022 12:12

If she doesn't have time to conceive then how the F is she going to look after a baby. Utterly selfish.

Omicrone · 22/01/2022 12:12

The baby girl and the surrogate are currently in hospital and Nick and Priyanka are waiting for the baby to be healthy enough to move to a hospital in Los Angeles

I missed this bit! If this is true (and I'm sure that if Priyanka and Nick had travelled to be with the baby already it would be on SM) then WTAF? She is their baby!

Fucking hell.

KurtWilde · 22/01/2022 12:12

Absolutely shocking. I sincerely hope paid surrogacy is never introduced in the UK. It is not OK for women to rent out their bodies.

Women: it's a woman's body she can do with it whatever she wants.

Also women: apart from surrogacy cos that's not ok.

Have you heard yourselves??

StylishMummy · 22/01/2022 12:12

I had a 27 week preemie and I was beside her incubator every single day. The NICU nurses explained how vital it was that she could smell/hear her mother, skin to skin, breast milk etc.

I'm fucking horrified that these vile celebrities can 'buy' a baby and announced her prematurity in such a cold way. If they were any kind of parents, they'd be there with her immediately and constantly.

The poor, poor child. Sad

Beowulfthethird · 22/01/2022 12:15

Sadly, nobody could have bonded with the baby girl at this stage so nobody is capable of rooting for her in the same way as if it were a conventional birth. It is cold and transactional and that is one of the biggest ethical problems it throws up.

From personal experience I can confirm this is claptrap.

KurtWilde · 22/01/2022 12:15

@EishetChayil

Another newborn removed from the womb and given to others. What a traumatic start to life.
So no different to babies who are given up for adoption and everyone applauds that. But because it's surrogacy it's somehow different? Christ on a bike.
Omicrone · 22/01/2022 12:16

@KurtWilde

Absolutely shocking. I sincerely hope paid surrogacy is never introduced in the UK. It is not OK for women to rent out their bodies.

Women: it's a woman's body she can do with it whatever she wants.

Also women: apart from surrogacy cos that's not ok.

Have you heard yourselves??

Why do you think that selling organs that you can get by without is illegal? Why do you think selling blood is illegal?

If anyone should be allowed to do what they want with their body?

Why is exploiting human bodies only ok when it's specifically women doing it?

MaChienEstUnDick · 22/01/2022 12:16

[quote HelloFrostyMorning]@KurtWilde

For starters she's not 'a poor woman', she's part of an agency and has been a surrogate 5 times before. You're talking like they just dragged a random woman off the street and impregnated her against her wishes... Surrogates know the risks of pregnancy just like any woman who carries a baby and births it does. It's fully consented to and the best health care is provided when it's all done properly.....

This. ^ I can't get wound up about women being surrogates tbh. Not all of them are 'poor' and destitute, as someone stated further back, and I agree that doing it 5 times does not automatically mean she is poor. Many women do it for altruistic reasons, and yeah, for the money too sometimes.

But just because someone does something for money, that doesn't mean they're 'poor' and disadvantaged and vulnerable.

I know it doesn't suit some to hear it but it's true.

I don't see the same faux horror, and pearl-clutching when someone gets to adopt a baby. It's all 'awwww I am SO pleased for you OP, you will make a wonderful mother.' #Living the dream #mummy4life.

No-one gives a flying fuck about the poor woman who has given up her baby. Do they think the 'birth mother' gave up the baby because he/she had the wrong colour eyes?

NO.

It was the most difficult and devastating decision of her life, and she will NEVER recover from it. It will be the first thing she thinks about when she wakes up, and the last thing she thinks about before she goes to sleep. EVERY DAY OF HER LIFE.

But people (on here) are too busy awwing and cooing over someone getting a baby, to give a shit about the birth mother.

Hypocrisy at its finest. Hmm[/quote]
With respect @HelloFrostyMorning the number of children voluntarily given up for adoption in the UK is tiny. In the states it's much bigger and, again, done on a commercial scale. But in the UK it's a tiny number. Most adoptions take place where children have had to be removed from their birth families. I haven't seen any 'you go girl' posts on MN about that, rather supportive posts for adoptive families dealing with children who have had a very poor start to their lives.

RegardingMary · 22/01/2022 12:17

@KurtWilde

But sadly when you're a surrogate it's no longer seen as your body. Everything comes with the threat of loss of money. There's been cases of surrogates bring left with disabled babies and all the medical fees because a disabled baby wasn't wanted.
Threats of 'if you do X I'm not paying you' or 'have Y test done of I'm not paying you'.

It's also the vulgarity of people deciding they don't want to carry a baby but want their own genetic offspring. She doesn't have time to carry a baby, so how will she have time to look after it. Isn't this more a vanity thing, she doesn't want to risk being pregnant as it may damage her career.

Salaro · 22/01/2022 12:17

so in the US as it is commercial the £ are in the £000,000’s!.
They're not, the average money a surrogate can expect to get are listed on the various surrogacy websites and they are nowhere near that amount of money.

ChiefInspectorParker · 22/01/2022 12:18

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Omicrone · 22/01/2022 12:18

When babies are given up for adoption at birth, there is usually very serious circumstances surrounding that, where the baby would be seriously impeded or possibly even in danger if it were not to be removed from the birth mother.

That is very different to specifically commissioning a human life with the express intention of removing it from its birth mother at birth.

MaChienEstUnDick · 22/01/2022 12:20

So someone endangers their life five times for a total payout of £150,000. That is the end of their 'career' - after having a preemie, no-one will want to take on the risk of working with that surrogate again.

I mean, £30k is the uk national average wage but sure, let's pretend this surrogate gave birth on a bed of money. Rich and poor aren't fixed terms, they depend on where someone lives.

RegardingMary · 22/01/2022 12:20

@KurtWilde

There's a huge difference between adopting an unwanted baby, either because parents can't look after her or have religious believes that means they feel they have to go through with an unwanted pregnancy, and implanting a foreign egg into a woman hoping she'll cook you a baby up.

KurtWilde · 22/01/2022 12:21

Why is exploiting human bodies only ok when it's specifically women doing it?

Oh bore off with this claptrap. Why are people talking like surrogacy involves involuntarily impregnating random women?

Surrogates are fully aware of the risks of pregnancy and childbirth just like any other woman. It's done consensually not against their will! There was a time when people applauded women who'd borne a child for people who couldn't - for WHATEVER reason. Be that a male gay couple, fertility problems or otherwise.

Somehow these days it's seen almost as a crime against women!

But then I'm guessing some people on this thread wouldn't be happy about a same sex male couple using a surrogate either, so I reckon I'm done with this thread.

As you were.

Omicrone · 22/01/2022 12:24

@KurtWilde

Why is exploiting human bodies only ok when it's specifically women doing it?

Oh bore off with this claptrap. Why are people talking like surrogacy involves involuntarily impregnating random women?

Surrogates are fully aware of the risks of pregnancy and childbirth just like any other woman. It's done consensually not against their will! There was a time when people applauded women who'd borne a child for people who couldn't - for WHATEVER reason. Be that a male gay couple, fertility problems or otherwise.

Somehow these days it's seen almost as a crime against women!

But then I'm guessing some people on this thread wouldn't be happy about a same sex male couple using a surrogate either, so I reckon I'm done with this thread.

As you were.

So why is it illegal to sell your blood or sell organs? If you are 'fully aware of the risks' and perfectly willing to do it, why is it illegal?
socdem · 22/01/2022 12:24

I saw Priyanka Chopra in South Kensington about 18 months ago (I live in London). I didn’t know who she was at the time but she looked very bloated and unwell. Having suffered infertility myself my heart goes out to her and all concerned, especially to her fragile baby.

Women who have never known infertility are often extremely judgmental towards those who do, and I’m grateful I’m not so nasty.

mobear · 22/01/2022 12:27

In less progressive parts of India I think having fertility issues could be regarded as shameful, so this might be one reason she doesn’t want to publicly announce that she has fertility issues (if she does). It’s no one’s business but her own anyway

socdem · 22/01/2022 12:27

Infertility and adoption are also culturally taboos in India where I think the bulk of Priyanka’s fan base must be. I have an Indian friend who only found out he was the subject of an interfamily adoption in his forties. Being economical with the truth is probably her way of avoiding cultural conflicts.

MaChienEstUnDick · 22/01/2022 12:27

@socdem

I saw Priyanka Chopra in South Kensington about 18 months ago (I live in London). I didn’t know who she was at the time but she looked very bloated and unwell. Having suffered infertility myself my heart goes out to her and all concerned, especially to her fragile baby.

Women who have never known infertility are often extremely judgmental towards those who do, and I’m grateful I’m not so nasty.

I have endless compassion for women struggling with infertility.

I also have endless compassion for people struggling with organ failure. It doesn't mean I think they should be allowed to buy a kidney.

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