Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra Surrogacy

[MintyGreenDream]

I'm usually open minded about these things but it appears that they've admitted that she doesn't have fertility issues but her schedule was too "hectic" to fit in conceiving a baby.Wtaf.
Sorry but this seems very wrong

Nick Jonas and Priyanka welcome baby girl 12 weeks early mol.im/a/10428475 via dailym.ai/android

Sorry for the dm article

[Title edited by MNHQ to say Nick Jonas, not Joe Jonas]*

[Omicrone]

There was a time when people applauded women who'd borne a child for people who couldn't - for WHATEVER reason. Be that a male gay couple, fertility problems or otherwise.

Ah yes, the good old days where women knew their places as support humans making sure they were putting themselves at risk for everyone else and nobody objected to it.

Listen to yourself.

And no, I don't think men should exploit the bodies of women in order to have a baby because they don't have an egg and an incubator between them. Especially not when, in the next breath they are saying that men can be women, and you can't really define what a woman is (looking at you Tom Daley, you know exactly what a woman is when you need one for reproductive labour don't cha!)

[HelloFrostyMorning]

[quote RegardingMary]@KurtWilde

There's a huge difference between adopting an unwanted baby, either because parents can't look after her or have religious believes that means they feel they have to go through with an unwanted pregnancy, and implanting a foreign egg into a woman hoping she'll cook you a baby up.[/quote]
@RegardingMary

Giving up a baby for adoption is FAR worse than doing it as a surrogate. I can't believe ANYone would think any different!

[betwixtlives]

@MintyGreenDream

Yes I realise that but if they don't come forward and deny it then it must be factual.If that was me I'd want the actual truth to be known.

are you serious? That’s really not how it works!

[HelloFrostyMorning]

@ConstantCougher

Oh jeez! Another surrogacy / woman bashing thread!
The surrogate obviously knowingly knows what she is doing, non issue. And she’s using an agency. As for ‘rich’ people ‘renting’ their wombs out, some may consider a 4/5 time surrogate ‘rich’ if she is getting around £30k per pregnancy!! That’s in the U.K. so in the US as it is commercial the £ are in the £000,000’s!
I think many surrogates are rich!

This. ^

And as I and several others said, people applaud and cheer when a woman gets to adopt a baby. Not giving a shit about the birth mother who had to give it up. Yet they clutch their pearls in horror at a woman being a surrogate.. Such hypocrisy!

[TatianaBis]

I would have said that people weren’t stupid enough to believe what they read in the DM, particularly not MNers. But apparently I was wrong.

[TheCloudBotherer]

So no different to babies who are given up for adoption and everyone applauds that. But because it's surrogacy it's somehow different? Christ on a bike.

Children are usually given up for adoption- or removed by Social services usually in this country- because their birth parents are unable to suitably care for them. It is done in the best interests of the child in a frankly awful situation. They are not deliberately conceived for the purpose of being given away for money.

[Omicrone]

And as I and several others said, people applaud and cheer when a woman gets to adopt a baby. Not giving a shit about the birth mother who had to give it up. Yet they clutch their pearls in horror at a woman being a surrogate.. Such hypocrisy!

What are you talking about? Do you think women are specifically getting pregnant so that they can give their baby up for adoption? The circumstances around babies being given up for adoption at birth are usually heartbreaking for all involved, and there is no other option that for the baby to go to different parents.

That is completely different to specifically commissioning a baby, knowing that it will be removed from it's birth mother at birth.

[socdem]

I also have endless compassion for people struggling with organ failure. It doesn't mean I think they should be allowed to buy a kidney.

I wonder if you’ll be so certain when you or someone you love needs the sort of medical care that only money can buy.

[Christienne]

[quote HelloFrostyMorning]@KurtWilde

For starters she's not 'a poor woman', she's part of an agency and has been a surrogate 5 times before. You're talking like they just dragged a random woman off the street and impregnated her against her wishes... Surrogates know the risks of pregnancy just like any woman who carries a baby and births it does. It's fully consented to and the best health care is provided when it's all done properly.....

This. ^ I can't get wound up about women being surrogates tbh. Not all of them are 'poor' and destitute, as someone stated further back, and I agree that doing it 5 times does not automatically mean she is poor. Many women do it for altruistic reasons, and yeah, for the money too sometimes.

But just because someone does something for money, that doesn't mean they're 'poor' and disadvantaged and vulnerable.

I know it doesn't suit some to hear it but it's true.

I don't see the same faux horror, and pearl-clutching when someone gets to adopt a baby. It's all 'awwww I am SO pleased for you OP, you will make a wonderful mother.' #Living the dream #mummy4life.

No-one gives a flying fuck about the poor woman who has given up her baby. Do they think the 'birth mother' gave up the baby because he/she had the wrong colour eyes?

NO.

It was the most difficult and devastating decision of her life, and she will NEVER recover from it. It will be the first thing she thinks about when she wakes up, and the last thing she thinks about before she goes to sleep. EVERY DAY OF HER LIFE.

But people (on here) are too busy awwing and cooing over someone getting a baby, to give a shit about the birth mother.

Hypocrisy at its finest. [/quote]
I don't see the same faux horror, and pearl-clutching when someone gets to adopt a baby. It's all 'awwww I am SO pleased for you OP, you will make a wonderful mother.' #Living the dream #mummy4life

The two - in the UK at least - are in absolutely no way comparable.

Oh… and no one reacted to me like then when I adopted 2DC.

[timeisnotaline]

I missed the significance of the locations. If they aren’t staying next to the hospital and visiting as much as allowed then I do judge them. If you want a baby you need to be ready to parent and I can’t think of any parent that wouldn’t be with their precious little 27 week old as much as possible.

[TheMarzipanDildo]

Too hectic to conceive but not too hectic to look after a baby

“And as I and several others said, people applaud and cheer when a woman gets to adopt a baby. Not giving a shit about the birth mother who had to give it up. Yet they clutch their pearls in horror at a woman being a surrogate.. Such hypocrisy!”

Bollocks is it hypocrisy. I doubt anti surrogacy people are generally in favour of Magdalene laundry style adoption (forcibly stealing babies), but that’s not what people in the UK mean when they say they’ve adopted. Adoption is a societal necessity, surrogacy is not.

[HelloFrostyMorning]

I give up. I cannot debate with people who think giving up your baby for adoption is somehow not as bad as surrogacy. Fuxake !!

I'm out!

[Omicrone]

@HelloFrostyMorning

I give up. I cannot debate with people who think giving up your baby for adoption is somehow not as bad as surrogacy. Fuxake !!

I'm out!

I don't understand your posts? What do you mean by 'bad' in this context? What do you suggest happens to babies whose birth mothers are unable to look after them?

[Omicrone]

Also, in the UK at least, adopting babies at birth is quite rare.

[Cheekypeach]

Gosh. That baby is very premature. I wonder how they will react if she has lifelong disabilities as a consequence of her prematurity? I hope this won’t be the next Baby Gammy.

[TheCloudBotherer]

What sort of fucking fantasy land are some posters living in when a child being given up for adoption is something that's celebrated?! The vast majority of children in this country being adopted are being removed from neglectful, abusive, or otherwise unsuitable situations with their birth parents. The bar for removal is high in this country- their situation has to be pretty dire.
They aren't being handed over for shits and giggles. Or for money. Because it's generally recognised that removing a child- even a newborn baby- from it's mother is far from ideal. It's not a situation you should purposely create.

[TheMarzipanDildo]

@HelloFrostyMorning

I give up. I cannot debate with people who think giving up your baby for adoption is somehow not as bad as surrogacy. Fuxake !!

I'm out!

It’s not about the ‘morality’ of it, it’s about what’s best for the child. Don’t you think the baby of a heroin addict mother would be better off growing up in a more secure environment?

Again, adoption is a societal necessity, surrogacy is not.

[socdem]

If they aren’t staying next to the hospital and visiting as much as allowed then I do judge them. If you want a baby you need to be ready to parent and I can’t think of any parent that wouldn’t be with their precious little 27 week old as much as possible.

Ditto - this I really do judge.

[Aroundtheworldin80moves]

You can feel sympathy for couples with fertility problems and have concerns about the ethics of surrogacy... the two aren't mutually exclusive!

I don't think babies should be allowed to be bought and sold.
I have nothing but sympathy for people struggling to conceive, or otherwise unable to have children (such as gay couples) who would make brilliant parents. I have no idea if this couple is in that category.

History has shown that many practices once considered to be 'kind' are now considered morally bankrupt (child migration programme and taking babies from unmarried mothers to name two examples).

[TheCloudBotherer]

@socdem

I also have endless compassion for people struggling with organ failure. It doesn't mean I think they should be allowed to buy a kidney.

I wonder if you’ll be so certain when you or someone you love needs the sort of medical care that only money can buy.

Assuming that you're in the UK- paying someone for a kidney is medical care which only money can buy ILLEGALLY. And for good reason.

[monfuseds]

There was a time when people applauded women who'd borne a child for people who couldn't - for WHATEVER reason. Be that a male gay couple, fertility problems or otherwise.

I do have sympathy when someone cannot have a child however it feels like babies have become a commodity. Don't have time for pregnancy, don't want to get fat, want lots of dc quickly just use a surrogate

[Cattenberg]

Surrogates are fully aware of the risks of pregnancy and childbirth just like any other woman.

Are they? Before I had IVF, I was quite ignorant about the process. I didn’t know that a twin pregnancy would double the risk of my not surviving. I didn’t know that using donor eggs would have also increased the health risks to me (not that I did this, but many surrogates do). I didn’t know that transferring two three-day embryos would have lower risk of multiple pregnancy than transferring two blastocysts. I didn’t know that after my successful embryo transfer, I’d have to take medication for three months in order to support the pregnancy.

US surrogacy contracts make for particularly grim reading. I saw one that specified that the doctor and commissioning parents would decide how many embryos would be transferred to the surrogate mother’s uterus.

Sometimes, women aren’t even told how many embryos have been transferred. I read of one surrogate mother who was shocked to discover that she was carrying triplets and that the commissioning parents were ordering her to have a selective reduction.

[Cheekypeach]

There also seems to be a surrogacy ‘trend’ for twins at the moment. Further proving the medical risks are disregarded in favour of creating a ‘draw your own family’ commercialised process.

[Dreamstate]

Its not even come directly from their mouths, hoe do you eveb know this is 100% true. Jesus. Talk about gossiping and talking shut about people when you haven't seen them say it themselves

Leave them alone you don't know for a fact what is true

[TheMarzipanDildo]

“Sometimes, women aren’t even told how many embryos have been transferred. I read of one surrogate mother who was shocked to discover that she was carrying triplets and that the commissioning parents were ordering her to have a selective reduction.”

That’s fucking horrific.