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Prince Andrew stripped...

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Sarahlou63 · 13/01/2022 17:27

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

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DeliriaSkibbly · 15/01/2022 18:53

[quote derxa]Well given that he spent a lot of time with a convicted paedophile and a convicted sex trafficker, I know where I'd be placing my bets. Yes I know all that but this is what the press have dug up about him
www.thesun.co.uk/news/10367796/prince-andrew-party-girls-photos-saint-tropez/[/quote]
My experience of men such as him - thankfully not great - is that in their quest for greater and greater satisfaction they turn to greater and greater depravity. I see nothing in what you have linked that makes me think anything other than he's likely to have ventured into illegal territory ably provisioned by Epstein and Maxwell. Doubtless he thought (and seems to continue to think) he's untouchable.

derxa · 15/01/2022 19:00

My experience of men such as him - thankfully not great - is that in their quest for greater and greater satisfaction they turn to greater and greater depravity. You mean someone who was used to women giving him lots of attention? Prince Andrew is an arse of the highest order but a depraved monster? Really?

Smallkeys · 15/01/2022 19:01

Choice of what @merrymouse

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merrymouse · 15/01/2022 19:02

@errnerrcallnernnernnern

A choice for what, sorry?
Nobody has ever been able to explain how Epstein made his money legally, and Prince Andrew has a history of financially dubious deals with morally dubious people.

Even without reference to the current case, it seems possible that he was linked to Epstein in a way that was very embarrassing for a member of the RF.

The £15k that he gave to the Duchess of York seems a strangely small sum.

DeliriaSkibbly · 15/01/2022 19:02

@derxa

My experience of men such as him - thankfully not great - is that in their quest for greater and greater satisfaction they turn to greater and greater depravity. You mean someone who was used to women giving him lots of attention? Prince Andrew is an arse of the highest order but a depraved monster? Really?
Yes.

You just don't WANT to believe it, so I see little point in engaging with you further. None so blind as will not see...

Smallkeys · 15/01/2022 19:15

Ah yes now I see what you mean. He certainly has a history of that dodgy finances and the same with fergie. For me I think that’s more why he liked hanging out with Epstein. when you look at the party photos someone posted earlier he looks relaxed and flirty he just looks uncomfortable with Virginia. I suppose the question is does he like young girls and did he know she was being trafficked and I am not sure either of those are true. She didn’t really know herself then that she had been groomed . But he may have had Sex with her believing her to be legal again I’m not sure. His history is of being money motivated and nit too worried how dodgy it is and a bit dim .

StormzyinaTCup · 15/01/2022 19:22

My experience of men such as him - thankfully not great - is that in their quest for greater and greater satisfaction they turn to greater and greater depravity. I see nothing in what you have linked that makes me think anything other than he's likely to have ventured into illegal territory ably provisioned by Epstein and Maxwell. Doubtless he thought (and seems to continue to think) he's untouchable.

I think that's a bit of a stretch tbh. You can enjoy having women draping themselves over you (as those pictures clearly show) but it's quite a jump to move into the realms of known depravity.

Epstein was the depraved monster, he was also a master manipulator (second to none) and made his money from blackmail, starting with big businessmen, onto the FBI and into the White House and the Royal Family. That's quite an achievement.

derxa · 15/01/2022 19:25

@Smallkeys

Ah yes now I see what you mean. He certainly has a history of that dodgy finances and the same with fergie. For me I think that’s more why he liked hanging out with Epstein. when you look at the party photos someone posted earlier he looks relaxed and flirty he just looks uncomfortable with Virginia. I suppose the question is does he like young girls and did he know she was being trafficked and I am not sure either of those are true. She didn’t really know herself then that she had been groomed . But he may have had Sex with her believing her to be legal again I’m not sure. His history is of being money motivated and nit too worried how dodgy it is and a bit dim .
Yes that seems plausible. Anyway he's fucked whatever happens.
DeliriaSkibbly · 15/01/2022 19:29

@StormzyinaTCup

My experience of men such as him - thankfully not great - is that in their quest for greater and greater satisfaction they turn to greater and greater depravity. I see nothing in what you have linked that makes me think anything other than he's likely to have ventured into illegal territory ably provisioned by Epstein and Maxwell. Doubtless he thought (and seems to continue to think) he's untouchable.

I think that's a bit of a stretch tbh. You can enjoy having women draping themselves over you (as those pictures clearly show) but it's quite a jump to move into the realms of known depravity.

Epstein was the depraved monster, he was also a master manipulator (second to none) and made his money from blackmail, starting with big businessmen, onto the FBI and into the White House and the Royal Family. That's quite an achievement.

But really, it's not. Studies have shown that for certain people what most of would consider to be 'normal' sexual encounters start to pall and those people more to more and more extreme types of sex. This often manifests most obviously with pornography habits - these same people seem to need to push boundaries more and more and more in order to be gratified. Not all move towards younger and younger sexual partners, the extremes can manifest differently. But some do.

When everything else that's known about him is factored in, I don't see it as 'a bit of a stretch' at all.

To be clear, I'm not saying all people are like this, but there is a subset for whom it seems to be an addiction and, like other forms of addiction, greater and greater 'fixes' are needed to satisfy and soon this starts to spiral out of control and often downwards.

I agree totally that Epstein was a depraved monster and a master manipulator. I don't think it's really much of a stretch to imagine him getting Andrew into a compromising situation and having evidence of that, knowing that Andrew is then basically in the palm of his hand. Aided and abetted by Maxwell of course.

Remember the John Doe names from the Maxwell case are up for release soon and it's looking highly likely that the judge in that case will unseal the names as there seems no good reason to keep them quiet now the conviction has been made. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of those JD's is Andrew, but we'll see.

Smallkeys · 15/01/2022 19:32

Yes he is definitely screwed and regardless of what did or didn’t happen with Virginia he deserves a lot of what’s coming for having zero morals and zero sensible judgment !!

mathanxiety · 15/01/2022 19:34

Nobody has ever been able to explain how Epstein made his money legally

It's all well documented.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Teaching

I don't believe for one minute that he committed suicide.

Smallkeys · 15/01/2022 19:35

Well that is another point did Epstein manufacture that photo for blackmail opportunities., in the terrible interview PA did say he hasn’t seen the original so it’s a photo of a photo and casting doubt as to wether it had been doctored. The one good thing is that woman are being listened to and their experiences are not being dismissed as they once were but that doesn’t mean that there are not inaccurate claims

StormzyinaTCup · 15/01/2022 19:37

I agree totally that Epstein was a depraved monster and a master manipulator. I don't think it's really much of a stretch to imagine him getting Andrew into a compromising situation and having evidence of that, knowing that Andrew is then basically in the palm of his hand. Aided and abetted by Maxwell of course.

I think that was exactly Epstein's Modus Operandi, so I don't think I would put PA in the 'natural move into depravity' sub set.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of those JD's is Andrew, but we'll see.

At this point I'm more interested in who the other JDs are. I have some names in mind so will be interesting to see if they match.

Smallkeys · 15/01/2022 19:39

Deliria what makes you think he has a huge abs or depraved appetite PA has been associated with many things young girls I don’t think have ever been ? Could be weong

DeliriaSkibbly · 15/01/2022 19:48

@Smallkeys

Deliria what makes you think he has a huge abs or depraved appetite PA has been associated with many things young girls I don’t think have ever been ? Could be weong
Why don't you read my post - I explain it there.
Creativemojo · 15/01/2022 19:52

@StoatMilk

Sophie Wessex’s run in with the fake ‘sheik’ was considered very serious at the time...she made disparaging comments about members of the Royal family and politicians. It’s also alleged that she suggested ‘the public put her on the plinth left by Diana’.... in her dreams, she hasn’t got one iota of star quality. I’d be quite happy for her to be sidelined when in the future Prince Charles streamlines the monarchy.
Yes and did you notice that there were lots of puff pieces in the red tops about Sophie and Edward (note her PR background) shortly after Harry's departure, followed by a Daily Mail story saying that Clarence House had been irritated by a discreet PR campaign puffing up Sophie's & Edward's closeness to the Queen, which resulted in Charles delaying or refusing Edward's adopting the title "Duke of Edinburgh".

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/charles-excuse-ignoring-dads-wishes-24531511

There is obviously no love lost between the royal siblings, magnified by them each having separate offices and staff with separate loyalties who literally brief against each other. The whole set-up is toxic and should be trimmed to the bone, if not eliminated altogether!

DeliriaSkibbly · 15/01/2022 19:55

At this point I'm more interested in who the other JDs are. I have some names in mind so will be interesting to see if they match.

Absolutely. All the legal commentary I have seen has stated that there seems to be no reason for the judge not to unseal the names. I would hope the judge involved here has protection of some sort because the names I suspect might be there (and I reckon there'd be a lot of overlap with your own list) are likely to be getting quite desperate now.

EdithWeston · 15/01/2022 20:57

At this point I'm more interested in who the other JDs are. I have some names in mind so will be interesting to see if they match

I have no idea who they might be, but think this all needs to be properly investigated.

Ijsbear · 15/01/2022 22:20

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Is there any great scandal waiting to be told about Charles?

Personally I don't know, but given his own taste for associating with paedophiles I'd be very surprised if Andrew - who's been around a long time and doubtless seen a lot - couldn't dredge something up

Whichever way the verdict goes, he can't hobnob & use his titles in the way he used to with the A listers. People won't want to be seen publicly with an alleged or convicted sex offender

Decent people perhaps, but he'll still have the dubious oligarchs, some of whom seem little better than he is
In fact the latest news could shove him even further into their clutches

Why would the oligarchs want to be associated with a disgraced Brit monarch? His status has to be very soiled now. D-raters, perhaps.

Another reason to be associated with Andrew now might be to try to blackmail the RF, but I strongly suspect that they have dealt with blackmail for centuries and are pretty crafty.

Fwiw I suspect Andrew is now bewildered and hurting - not that I liked the 10 second encounter I had with him and from what I've heard he's just a tosspot - but all this attention on him, and where the fuck are the spotlights on the other influential people who used and abused those poor girls? I'd love to see some of the other powerful male priviliged shits brought to account.

mrdarcyfan · 15/01/2022 22:28

I wonder how Fergie is feeling.She looked grim faced driving out of Windsor with Andrew.He's been her meal ticket for ever and now he's out in the cold she won't be guaranteed the royal perks and status.Maybe she'll sell her memoirs for a pay day.

NinaDefoe · 15/01/2022 22:31

He may have list his titles but I doubt he’ll lose his income or home.

UserBot314159 · 15/01/2022 22:47

And after the trial, he may end up having more freedom because he is just a private citizen.... not that we belive that.

StoatMilk · 15/01/2022 22:50

Absolutely agree with you @Creativemojo

ParkheadParadise · 15/01/2022 22:52

I would imagine they took everything away to make themselves look good. Probably nothing the change for the Dirty bastard. He will still be living a life of luxury.

Creativemojo · 15/01/2022 22:55

@mrdarcyfan

I wonder how Fergie is feeling.She looked grim faced driving out of Windsor with Andrew.He's been her meal ticket for ever and now he's out in the cold she won't be guaranteed the royal perks and status.Maybe she'll sell her memoirs for a pay day.
Mmm. She can't be happy losing her ski chalet!

I imagine that the Palace will have to play this quite carefully. Fergie must have lots of info she could potentially "sell" if PA is shunned to the extent that he doesn't have anything much to lose! She isn't married to him after all. But is she dependent on the RF for accommodation or not? If she is, then that might keep her in line.