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Sarahlou63 · 2022-01-13T17:27:17+00:00

Of all royal patronages and military titles. Guess mummy has finally had enough.

Alieninmybody · 14/01/2022 01:13

About time but what will this mean in the real world. Will he still be appearing on balconies or after church on special occasions while the queen is alive?

Harry and Meghan were right to get away from that whole institute while they could. I wonder though why Harry is still so bitter and for a long time still very much seemed to want to be half in half out. I bet though he's very glad now to be no where near that mess.

testerwiki · 14/01/2022 01:19

@Dreamthemoors

Yes and for all your Manhattan DA's, the NY AG etc they still haven't found anything except against the Brits ...Maxwell and now Andrew...

NOT clinton, Trump, Dershowitz & Leslie Wexner who built Victoria’s Secret and had access to all those young girls ...and gave Epstein his big money break.

Hell ...even Epstein escaped Epsteins child abuse crimes leaving prison everyday to work from his office !

So I say go after the bloody lot of them.... but they won't because I repeat ... the yanks always look after their own.

HeddaGarbled · 14/01/2022 01:20

I believe that Virginia is telling the truth, but I think it will be nigh on impossible for her to prove it

I think the judge is leaning towards her already. I think she’ll win. US legal proceedings seem a bit public-voty. Am I right in thinking that all judges are elected?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 14/01/2022 01:33

Thought this would happen. Wasn't sure if any of his military titles were actually earnt, as opposed to honorary, but he's dishonoured now so they'd be taken off him just for that.

I'm glad - although I was trying to explain to DH yesterday that 17 is not underage in the UK, PA should have known that it was underage in some states in the USA and that the whole set up was dubious in the extreme.

Don't know what the final outcome will be but he deserves this fall-out.

SenecaFallsRedux · 14/01/2022 01:34

Am I right in thinking that all judges are elected?

Not federal court judges, and this case is in federal court. Federal court judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate for life. Most retire at some point, but the lifetime appointment is designed to protect them from political influence.

With state judges, it varies. Some are elected and some are appointed or selected by judicial commissions.

sammylady37 · 14/01/2022 01:45

@LuluBlakey1

The Queen should not have to do anything to revoke any of his titles- if he had a shred of decency or integrity or concern for the damage his greed, entitlement and appalling judgement have caused his mother and the monarchy he would hand them back, all of them, and the house at Royal Lodge. He should take Ferguson and go abroad to live.

Why should he go abroad? As someone from ‘abroad’ I can categorically say we don’t want him, you can keep him. Like it or not, the British people played a part in creating the creature as he is today. The flag-waving adulation, the bowing and scraping, the deference to the monarchy, the ongoing acceptance of the monarchy, the queueing up for weddings and other events etc all contributed to the continuation of the monarchy and the utter sense of entitlement and superiority they all have. You guys created a monster, you deal with it. Why should any other country have to deal with Britain’s scum?

MooseBeTimeForSnow · 14/01/2022 01:51

@caringcarer yes - but he owes $6.5 million or so of that to the woman he bought it from. And she had to take him to Court to get it. She had to be paid before the sale could proceed.

And I think Virginia is looking for much more than he has left.

Slingingcontest · 14/01/2022 02:03

Bit of a cop out. He is keeping the HRH but won't be using it. (Disgraceful imho considering they removed it fully from Diana, who was still mother of the heir to the throne.) More importantly, does the fact that it hasn't actually been removed from PA means he still receives a royal stipend? They were unclear about that on the news.

blueberryporridge · 14/01/2022 02:04

Why should he go abroad? As someone from ‘abroad’ I can categorically say we don’t want him, you can keep him. Like it or not, the British people played a part in creating the creature as he is today. The flag-waving adulation, the bowing and scraping, the deference to the monarchy, the ongoing acceptance of the monarchy, the queueing up for weddings and other events etc all contributed to the continuation of the monarchy and the utter sense of entitlement and superiority they all have. You guys created a monster, you deal with it. Why should any other country have to deal with Britain’s scum?

Well to be fair, we don't all bow and scrape but enough of us do to allow this ridiculous and frankly disgusting institution to continue.

sammylady37 · 14/01/2022 02:05

@blueberryporridge

Why should he go abroad? As someone from ‘abroad’ I can categorically say we don’t want him, you can keep him. Like it or not, the British people played a part in creating the creature as he is today. The flag-waving adulation, the bowing and scraping, the deference to the monarchy, the ongoing acceptance of the monarchy, the queueing up for weddings and other events etc all contributed to the continuation of the monarchy and the utter sense of entitlement and superiority they all have. You guys created a monster, you deal with it. Why should any other country have to deal with Britain’s scum?

Well to be fair, we don't all bow and scrape but enough of us do to allow this ridiculous and frankly disgusting institution to continue.

Yes, when I said ‘you’ I meant you as in a collective, the British people, not each individual personally.

DreamTheMoors · 14/01/2022 02:28

[quote testerwiki]@Dreamthemoors

Yes and for all your Manhattan DA's, the NY AG etc they still haven't found anything except against the Brits ...Maxwell and now Andrew...

NOT clinton, Trump, Dershowitz & Leslie Wexner who built Victoria’s Secret and had access to all those young girls ...and gave Epstein his big money break.

Hell ...even Epstein escaped Epsteins child abuse crimes leaving prison everyday to work from his office !

So I say go after the bloody lot of them.... but they won't because I repeat ... the yanks always look after their own.[/quote]
@testerwiki

Please list Clinton’s crimes, besides lying about a blowjob.

And please list Wexner’s crimes, aside from being a major dupe.

And Dersh never met a rich, guilty person he didn’t fall in love with. Besides, he kept his underwear on. 🙄🙄🙄

I stand by my comment. Stop generalising — neither country has anything to brag about.

blisstwins · 14/01/2022 03:56

@HeddaGarbled

I believe that Virginia is telling the truth, but I think it will be nigh on impossible for her to prove it

I think the judge is leaning towards her already. I think she’ll win. US legal proceedings seem a bit public-voty. Am I right in thinking that all judges are elected?

No….not at all. The judge who did it dismiss the case is a Harvard Law grad who, ironically maybe, was appointed to the position by Bill Clinton.

marcopront · 14/01/2022 03:58

@sammylady37

Yes, when I said ‘you’ I meant you as in a collective, the British people, not each individual personally.

So you are referring to the collective while at the same time objecting to something referring to the collective and instead giving a personal opinion.

testerwiki · 14/01/2022 04:11

@DreamTheMoors

Do enlighten how Epstein gets a lenient sentence for child abuse.. then leaves prison 6 days a week to work from "his office" then the lawyer who negotiates that get-out-of-jail deal Alex Acosta becomes Trumps labour secretary??

So while kids were getting raped then tossed out like rubbish, an army of people covered up his 20yr open secret as he continued hob nobbing with his cabal. Except for taking care of their own you tell me how NO-ONE faces court except the Brits Maxwell & his nibs?

ShippingNews · 14/01/2022 04:27

@WildRosie

Is he now plain old Andrew Middlename Middlename Windsor-Mountbatten now ? Evidently that is far from plain - Prince Andrew was quicker to say!

No he is still Prince Andrew. That can't be removed, he is the son of the monarch. He just isn't HRH Prince Andrew.

WildRosie · 14/01/2022 05:01

Thankyou Shipping.

notyouagainn · 14/01/2022 05:27

@Aldinho57

That's such a shame, can we not do the same to Harry,

Hardly the same

sammylady37 · 14/01/2022 05:43

[quote marcopront]@sammylady37

Yes, when I said ‘you’ I meant you as in a collective, the British people, not each individual personally.

So you are referring to the collective while at the same time objecting to something referring to the collective and instead giving a personal opinion.
[/quote]
Well yes. I’m confident I can speak for the people of my country when I say we don’t want a man of Andrew’s caliber tone banished from Britain to live among us. Do you think people abroad might want him or something?

Chocaholic9 · 14/01/2022 06:02

@the80sweregreat

I don't blame Harry and Meghan for bailing on this crowd ! He hasn't done anything as bad as these allegations are. Just decided to live a different life. Leave them out if it.

I agree.

Theunamedcat · 14/01/2022 07:21

@Slingingcontest

Bit of a cop out. He is keeping the HRH but won't be using it. (Disgraceful imho considering they removed it fully from Diana, who was still mother of the heir to the throne.) More importantly, does the fact that it hasn't actually been removed from PA means he still receives a royal stipend? They were unclear about that on the news.

She wasn't born into the family he was thats the difference

Would it take a change in the law to remove his rights?

Happylittlethoughts · 14/01/2022 07:46

I just watched an American video where the presenter said the reason she has stripped him of his titles and assets is because-

If he defaults on the case then his assets can be seized - and that's not a huge amount

They would then go after the assets of the the Royal Family to complete the debt

So the Queen has cut ties to stop her assets being seized in compensation
Can anyone clarify American Law ?

Colderthanever · 14/01/2022 07:53

I very much doubt they can come after his mother. Even in America no one has ever heard of if an adult can’t pay then the parents have to by default and the wider family is in the chair. It’s not the royal family being sued, it’s Andrew alone.

EdithWeston · 14/01/2022 08:02

@Happylittlethoughts

I just watched an American video where the presenter said the reason she has stripped him of his titles and assets is because- 1. If he defaults on the case then his assets can be seized - and that's not a huge amount

They would then go after the assets of the the Royal Family to complete the debt

So the Queen has cut ties to stop her assets being seized in compensation
Can anyone clarify American Law ?

Wrong on both counts - as he's not been stripped of assets either.

Just sacked from roles and unable to use royal title/style. The Palace don't style him 'HRH' or 'Prince' now. Just Duke of York (as that's an actual title)

EdithWeston · 14/01/2022 08:05

Would it take a change in the law to remove his rights?

No, for the HRH it would be Letters Patent. Ditto I think for style of Prince. But I don't think that'll happen, because agreement on non-use has been reached instead.

Parliamentary assent needed for removal of titles such as the dukedom

EdithWeston · 14/01/2022 08:14

Would it take a change in the law to remove his rights?

If by rights you include place in the succession, then yes it would. And no one would really want to see that happen - because right now his wouid you frame it?

If it was 'convicted in UK or overseas of a crime that carries a custodial sentence then place is forfeit' then that would be clear and workable. But 'godawful sleaze whose conduct is disgusting but not criminally disgusting' wouldn't really be sound.

He needs to quit the succession, if there were ever signs of it coming near him

But they do need to sort out who is going to be Counsellors of State, which again will require Parliamentary assent as we need to step out of the normal rules. Harry should be suspended for as long as he is domiciled overseas (provision already exists for that, it's a bit anomalous it's not already happened) and the forcible retirement of Andrew should continue with an ad hominem removal.

It does mean that two non-working royals would be appointed (Beatrice and Eugenie) unless parliament consents to a variation (probably a new act to permit it)

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