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Prince Andrew stripped...

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Sarahlou63 · 13/01/2022 17:27

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

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JudgeJ · 13/01/2022 21:53

@ParsleySageRosemary

Given that it’s a hereditary monarchy I’m not sure they can strip the title. Stopping use of it is all they can do, and it is a very strong statement.

Personally I think it must be a terrible thing to have to do for Her Majesty, but (and I no doubt sound pompous) she has this day restored some honour to the tainted name of Great Britain.

If only Her Majesty’s prime minister and ministers now follow that example, because it is embarrassing to be British right now with the amount of corruption, incompetence, and wrangling over legally agreed treaties right now.

They can't remove the HRH, he has that because he's the Queen's son but he can decline, voluntarily or otherwise. to use it. Camilla is technically the Princess of Wales as the wife of the P of W but the Dianistas would have a coniption fit if she did. Edward's children were entitled to be HRH Prince and Princess but their parents declined at their birth, when they're 18 they themselves could take on the titles.
sweetbellyhigh · 13/01/2022 21:54

I've never disagreed that he met her or that he slept with her , iv just bever believed her narrative as she tells it , now that this carolyn woman another epstein victim has come forward ,it just muddys the waters even more really , she gave evidence in the maxwell trial , and is now saying that virginia did indeed tell her she had meet andrew slept with him and seemed pretty pleased about it and not the least bit upset

Are you trying to suggest that because a trafficked teen does not weep and cry, or in other words behave as you imagine they might, that their story is untrue?

I can really understand if VG "seemed pleased" or "fine about it".

I was the same after being groomed/abused by the family GP. It was the only way I could cope with the magnitude of what I was experiencing.

It wasn't until two decades later that I could face the trauma and see it for the grotesque abuse that it was.

ddl1 · 13/01/2022 21:56

Phew, thought you were saying that he stripped!!! Not something I really want to imagine!

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Londoncallingme · 13/01/2022 21:57

@WildRosie

Is he now plain old Andrew Middlename Middlename Windsor-Mountbatten now ? Evidently that is far from plain - Prince Andrew was quicker to say!
No he’ll retain Prince - just like Harry - it’s a birthright but no more HRH and military titles gone.
DeliriaSkibbly · 13/01/2022 21:58

@chaosrabbitland

So tell me, why is it that the best defence Andrew has been able to come up with is either to have the case slung out on a dubious technicality OR to rely on "I can't sweat your honour" and "I was at Pizza Express your honour" ?

"I can't sweat" is not proving much use. The judge has ordered disclosure, Ms Giuffre's lawyers have asked for medical evidence and he can't provide it. How strange.

"I was at Pizza Express" as an alibi is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard because he can't provide any witnesses - NOT EVEN HIS OWN DAUGHTERS - who remember him being there. Given we're talking about the Queen's son and not Fred Jones who works in Asda this seems quite unlikely. Unless, of course, he wasn't there.

Why is it that he cannot advance any other defences ? Why is his case so flimsy ? There's one very obvious answer to that. I'm sure you can work it out.

MananaTomorrow · 13/01/2022 21:59

Is he still been paid?
What about his houses etc.. that the tax payer paid for? You know the same ones everyone asked Prince Harry to repay. Is he going to do the same?

AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2022 22:01

@SenecaFallsRedux @IcedPurple

Thank you!! Every day an education!

JanuaryBluehoo · 13/01/2022 22:03

  1. I wonder how he would prove he can't sweat in court? Maybe take a bloody test to make sure he had not taken any... ANTI SWEAT. MEDICATION. then make him run on a treadmill in court??

  2. the pizza party is redundant. No one goes clubbing at 7 pm. He had plenty of time to mess around in Woking and then go out later.

chaosrabbitland · 13/01/2022 22:04

[quote DeliriaSkibbly]@chaosrabbitland

So tell me, why is it that the best defence Andrew has been able to come up with is either to have the case slung out on a dubious technicality OR to rely on "I can't sweat your honour" and "I was at Pizza Express your honour" ?

"I can't sweat" is not proving much use. The judge has ordered disclosure, Ms Giuffre's lawyers have asked for medical evidence and he can't provide it. How strange.

"I was at Pizza Express" as an alibi is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard because he can't provide any witnesses - NOT EVEN HIS OWN DAUGHTERS - who remember him being there. Given we're talking about the Queen's son and not Fred Jones who works in Asda this seems quite unlikely. Unless, of course, he wasn't there.

Why is it that he cannot advance any other defences ? Why is his case so flimsy ? There's one very obvious answer to that. I'm sure you can work it out.[/quote]
oh i will agree with this , which is why i think he would have been much better to have just admitted yes i slept with her , but she never gave me the impression she wasnt willing , never said she was there under duress , i had thought she was paid to be there , or whatever

by denying hed ever met her of course hes left himself over a barrel

if he had admitted it ,the onus was then on her to prove he knew she was trafficked and unwilling and he then slept with her against her will anyway

his case is flimsy because of his denial her met her ever , her case that he knew she was trafficked is just as flimsy , he just makes it look stronger because he denys he ever met her which we all know yes he did

GnomeDePlume · 13/01/2022 22:05

In practical terms how do you hand back patronages and military titles?

Is some equerry going to be stuck burning the midnight oil shredding headed notepaper? Will all the uniforms have to be returned so they can be altered so that Princess Anne can wear them?

I imagine he will have a secret room where he wears a sailor suit and practices saluting himself in the mirror.

DingleyDel · 13/01/2022 22:07

chaosrabbitland neither of the victims have to be lying. VG was groomed from a young age. She became completely institutionalised into Epstein’s bizarre living arrangements so that the crimes he committed against her and others became her norm. Part of the grooming involved girls ‘recruiting’ other girls. It’s natural that other victims would assign some blame to the girls who had groomed them and probably feel angry that they had been led into this world aged 14 by an older girl. I don’t see anything confusing about it, other than how the hell they got away with it for so long.

BobbieMarkowe · 13/01/2022 22:08

Grooming is a process of systematically eroding boundaries and judgement. 17 year old Virginia quite possibly was proud of sleeping with a prince. In the environment that she was caught up, that might well have felt like an achievement to a teen.

Looking back on that as a fully mature adult, away from the influence and control of perverts and paedophiles, with a couple of decades of life experience, she can surely see how wrong it all was and how she was taken advantage of.

No matter how you look at it, a middle aged man taking advantage of a teen is wrong.

I remember having an enormous crush on my science teacher at the same age and I have the utmost respect now for how well he handled me and my equally daft friends. Some men are decent people but some are grim.

I agree that the layers of involvement, and the survival crimes and pyramid scheme make this a tricky case and it’s why I respect VG all the more for what she is trying to do. It’s going to be difficult. I’ve no doubt she will be torn apart by some.

But decent people know that middle aged men sleeping with teenagers isn’t right. And if this case makes it even a bit more difficult for creeps and their hangers-on to defend the indefensible, then she will have nudged the needle just a little bit more.

NinaDefoe · 13/01/2022 22:09

@x2boys

What does that actually mean in reality?
They’re exiling him without actually exiling him! He will just go and live quietly somewhere (rural in the U.K. or nice and sunny abroad) and keep his head down.
chaosrabbitland · 13/01/2022 22:09

@sweetbellyhigh

I've never disagreed that he met her or that he slept with her , iv just bever believed her narrative as she tells it , now that this carolyn woman another epstein victim has come forward ,it just muddys the waters even more really , she gave evidence in the maxwell trial , and is now saying that virginia did indeed tell her she had meet andrew slept with him and seemed pretty pleased about it and not the least bit upset

Are you trying to suggest that because a trafficked teen does not weep and cry, or in other words behave as you imagine they might, that their story is untrue?

I can really understand if VG "seemed pleased" or "fine about it".

I was the same after being groomed/abused by the family GP. It was the only way I could cope with the magnitude of what I was experiencing.

It wasn't until two decades later that I could face the trauma and see it for the grotesque abuse that it was.

read what i wrote. another epstein victim who has given evidence in the maxwell trial , her name is carolyn said this about virginia roberts herself , she was friends with her and virginia roberts recruited her into the ring

this woman knew virginia much better than any of us ever will ,

SarahovWelby · 13/01/2022 22:09

The guilt of an accused person cannot be presumed, surely they must be assumed to be innocent until proven guilty?

The girl was 17 at the time, above the age one can marry in UK (albeit with parental consent)...what am I missing?

Thewolvesarerunningagain · 13/01/2022 22:12

Londoncallingme

WildRosie
Is he now plain old Andrew Middlename Middlename Windsor-Mountbatten now ? Evidently that is far from plain - Prince Andrew was quicker to say!
No he’ll retain Prince - just like Harry - it’s a birthright but no more HRH and military titles gone.

Drat! I was going to go for a ‘the Andrew formerly known as Prince’ joke.

amusedtodeath1 · 13/01/2022 22:13

@JudgeJ

There's a photo of Andrew with her, so she definitely met him.

I have photos of me with numerous people whose name I don't recall, it happens when you go to parties, you don't necessarily know their names at the time!

So, she definitely met him? That's all I said, * didn't say she definitely slept with him???

I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of evidence that points to there being SOME truth to it and nothing Andrew has said has made that seem any better, if anything it makes him look more shady.

Hawkins001 · 13/01/2022 22:14

@Sarahlou63

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

That's what some presume, or it could be a calculated strategic plan
sweetbellyhigh · 13/01/2022 22:15

@chaosrabbitland

I did read what you wrote, that's why I responded.

Now you go and read what I wrote. Try if you can to absorb it too rather than stick to your victim blaming narrative.

Oh boy at the misogyny.

1forAll74 · 13/01/2022 22:15

I would love to be sitting in the Queens sitting room with all the other royals sitting around, and listening to them all talking about Andrew, who is supposed to be the Queens favourite son.

AllThePogs · 13/01/2022 22:18

@JudgeJ Andrew has given such a ridiculous defence in the Matliss interview. Do you really think he is credible?
I think most of the country knows he is a big fat lair.

amusedtodeath1 · 13/01/2022 22:25

Please try and understand that grooming is not the same as violent rape. Groomed girls don't need to be forcibly raped, they're incentivized, cajoled, brain washed into thinking that they're making the choice, that they're happy. It's manipulation at it's worst and many girls don't realise how badly they've been used and how badly that affected them until much later.

Please, if you are not educated about grooming/trafficking do some reading before you comment, these kind of ignorant comments are not helpful.

Butterflymosaic · 13/01/2022 22:27

😂👌🏻

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 13/01/2022 22:27

@SarahovWelby

The guilt of an accused person cannot be presumed, surely they must be assumed to be innocent until proven guilty?

The girl was 17 at the time, above the age one can marry in UK (albeit with parental consent)...what am I missing?

Age doesn't come into it if someone js being sex trafficked.
Butterflymosaic · 13/01/2022 22:29

@belowaverage

Queenie told him and he replied

"No sweat , i'm off out for a pizza"

Lost the quote I was replying too 🙈