Prince Andrew stripped...

[Sarahlou63]

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

@Covidclaire

So far VG has indicated that having her case heard is more important than money.

Well that wasn’t her view with Epstein. And in fact the settlement agreement she signed is probably the reason she couldn’t testify in the Ghislaine case. That doesn’t exactly shout I want these people to get what they deserve, does it. And interesting that she goes after a Prince and not one of the many other people she was probably forced to have sex with.

I don’t blame her at all, but I think anyone who can’t see she’s gone after the case that will get the highest profile is pretty naive.

But if this one is successful it could lead to a criminal case, and it also eases the (legal) way for the others to be hunted down.

Money does help, it can give a traumatized person the means to seek help. But it can also feel like "payment for services rendered" if you see what I mean.

There's a situation a bit similar to this in my life, and there was a criminal case and a prison sentence, and then compensation, but it made the victim feel dirty somehow.

Victims of sexual abuse don't always feel the same, emotions are complex and often confusing.

I think perhaps VG realised after the settlement with JE that money doesn't make it any better and that having her case heard is more important at this point.

@DeliriaSkibbly s’ok, I was more concerned you thought I was on his side

@ajandjjmum

As I said in my post, I was referring to to the hatred directed towards Harry and Meghan.

Well said mumshouse

Some of you must be mums too I’m assuming, gross!

What an odd comment. Maybe it’s because some are Mum’s that they have some empathy with another Mum.

But she’s not “going down the FBI route”, is she? I’d have gone after the whole lot if I’d been her

She, and other victims tried. I can link you information if you can't find it.

@Floundery

I find it oretty odious that the RF waited to see whether the NY court would dispose of the matter summarily before cutting him loose. If the judge had ruled differently, I suspect we’d still be seeing the odious oaf on state occasions.

Proves it’s all about the optics for the RF and fuck all to do with whether he actually did it.

Whilst I'm absolutely convinced he was there and that Virginia is due every recourse available to her, he still hasn't yet been found guilty in a court of law. And obviously he's going to deny it all.

So the RF would have been advised to wait until it was taken to that stage.

But she’s not “going down the FBI route”, is she? I’d have gone after the whole lot if I’d been her.

She is an absolute hero and doing more than enough. Its not up to her to rectify all of the wrongs that these men committed, she only has to do what is right for her. It’s taken an unbelievable time of time and money to get to this point. Whether she takes a settlement or pursues this till the bitter end I will always admire her strength and perseverance.

I would say the powers that be have had this title plan in the bag for a while, waiting on the outcome of the latest hearings and the public response to them. It's not been a snap decision and I would highly doubt it's been triggered by anything specific like that letter. The issue is that with H&M the precedent has been set; you can't whip stuff off them and leave Andrew to carry on as normal. This should have happened back after The Interview. I'm no fan of H&M but if he'd been left with the HRH et al the discrepancy between how the two have treated would have been so obvious as to raise concerns even with people who are sympathetic to/like the Queen or Monarchy in general.

I've got a bit obsessed with the Elizabeth Holmes case and she had VG's attorney, David Boies on retainer before Theranos went tits up. Some of the correspondence he issued to the whistle-blowers there would make your toes curl.

I don't think him saying that VG wants her day in court means that a trial is the most likely outcome. I think it's more likely to be him setting out his stall, making it clear that any settlement proposal will have to be well beyond the realms of a 'buy-off' offer in order to make his client think twice. He's setting expectations.

That's not to say that I'd judge her for accepting a settlement. This issue has dominated her life for decades. It could be several more before the case actually goes to trial by the time The-Artist-Formally-Known-As-Price-Andrew launches whatever appeals on whatever technicalities he can, at which stage he may claim to have exhausted whatever funds he has access to. Epstein is dead, Maxwell is in jail, and TAFKAPA is humiliated with or without a trial. He's 'lost' however this goes. I wouldn't blame the woman for drawing a line under it now.

Is it possible to compensate for the trauma of being trafficked? I can’t see how money would help.

Would you say the same about people receiving compensation for medical injuries caused by negligence? Brain injuries suffered in an accident? Money won't reverse it so why bother claiming damages?

Surely the same could be said of damages payments in all cases. No penalty or compensation can reverse the harm caused.

Damages recognise that the person has suffered harm which imposes costs they otherwise would not have faced in their life. For instance, limitations in earning ability, care needs, medical costs, etc. Over a lifetime these can be enormous amounts for somebody who has suffered major harm like this.

You can't see how a trafficking victim would need additional funds to cover those costs and disadvantages compared to if they had not been trafficked? Do you really expect us to believe you cannot see why a trafficking victim might need and benefit from funds to pay for specialist therapeutic interventions?

It is funny how victim blamers only take issue with damages for victims of abuse. In every other circumstance they seem to be able to comprehend that damages are not anticipated to erase the harm caused, simply to enable people to manage its consequences.

@Roussette

Do you think of virgin takes money she's an utter scammer though? People keep talking about out of court settlement - she can't be that passionate about being abused if she accepts money IMO

FFS.

Have you been following this case at all? Her lawyer Boies was on TV last night saying she wants to take it further than the money.

But of course if she does at any point , she will be blamed by people like you.

yep , i dont see the point in settling for money if you really want justice , which is what shes said she does , and now here is the chance for a trial so yes naturally she will be judged if she just settles for cold hard cash instead , and that will happen regardless of what anyone that faithfully believes her narrative thinks , of course if he just declines to give evidence then again that will go in her favour though

Vg is getting top legal advice

As with the gm trial they deliberately focused on a few victims only to make the case as strong as possible against her.

I'm sure when vg originally had that agreement with je he was still in an extremely powerful position.
If anyone has watched the Netflix documentary, gm was threatening physical harm to the girls, said they were not safe, couldn't go jogging.
One girl was constantly moved for her safety.

These girls have /had no power and je was getting off /getting away/corrupting justice... And no one knew how or why.

He's innocent. Been set up. Can't believe you are all roasting him alive before he's even stood trial!

Exactly @Nanny0gg, I'm pretty sure Andrew isn't telling HMTQ that he did anything wrong. What sort of mother would believe that of their son without proof or a confession of guilt?

It makes sense why Fergie was reintroduced a few years ago,damage control.

You cant pit Andrew against Harry,not in the same league at all.

I’d have gone after the whole lot if I’d been her.

Unless you were trafficked and sexually abused by Epstein as a teenage girl, then you do not know what you would do and it is hubris to claim that you do.

Chaos, I really hope she does what's right for her and family and doesn't care about the optics.

She's had the best years of her life stolen from her. She's been raped, manipulated, used, trafficked.
She was even told they wanted her to carry a child for them but to give up all rights to it.

She needs to do whatever is right for her.

I'm being selfish in not wanting her to settle and to force him into the stand.

maskless Haha... yeah rightio...

Innocent as the driven snow that prince.

@IcedPurple

I think HM should strip Andy of the DoY title

An Act of Parliament is required to revoke a peerage.

HMTQ has basically removed all the honours that were in her power to remove. Should have happened much sooner, but better late than never.

I thought that although 'normal' peerages went through parliament 'royal dukedoms' were solely in the 'gift' of the monarch and that parliamentary approval is not needed.

It’s infuriating to see that the very targeted smear campaign run by Epstein/Maxwell/Andrews lawyers against the victims of these horrific crimes has filtered down and influenced some of the publics views. This is exactly what they want and it’s disgusting to see such misogyny expressed on MN. Virginia is a very brave woman. This should have happened long ago. I also suspect Wills and Charles had a very strong hand in this.

I bet Prince Andrew is simultaneously sweating and not sweating right now, like some kind of Schrodinger’s nonce..

Schrödinger's Nonce.

@TheWernethWife

I feel that Charles and William have had a hand in this.

I agree.