Anyone tried the McDonald's McPlant?

[Legodout]

Interested in anyone's views before I try at the weekend! I am a big fan of fake-meat burgers (the only category of fake meat I think is indistinguishable from/superior to the original) and usually have Linda McCartney's or Co-Ops own brand, so looking forward to trying this!

On a side note, anyone have a good fake-meat sausage recommendations? None I've tried have hit the mark.

Thanks!

It's amazing how many products have animal products sneaked into them for the sake of saving money.

Bloody milk powder

Here is my final piece tonight:

UK, Irish or Danish (etc) vegans, vegetarians, omnivores - buy local. Eat local produce. Eat in season produce. Cut down on air miles.

Cut down on exotic ingredients you do not need, flown in from other countries. It's boring, I know.

Do not be hoodwinked into believing your food choice is better than anybody else's unless you can truly understand the wider affect it has on animals.

That batch of sesame seeds used tonight on 100 buns has turned out the lights on a primate in India. Whether you are vegan, vegetarian or omnivore.

Buy local. No strawberries until May or June. No avocado. Who needs them?

There's no question of being hoodwinked. Every person who is vegan saves around 200 lives per year. (That accounts for the unavoidable animal suffering involved in producing plant foods.) @Magnited

Also, if anyone is curious about the ethical side as opposed to the food side (I completely agree the food side is more fun!), it's well worth giving Dominion a watch:

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch

Not too late to join in with Veganuary

I forgot sausage recommendations

Our favourite meat like ones are Richmond. Others we buy regularly and enjoy are shroom dogs (sainsburys), Linda McCartney’s red pepper or rosemary ones, m and s chorizo puppies and cauldron Cumberland.

If you’re ok with veggie not vegan, the quorn sausage patties are amazing for a fake McDonald’s egg McMuffin.

For burgers, coop frozen incredible burger is the winner by miles.

@Innocenta You are missing my point. Vegans believe they do not impact on animals. My point is they do to a great degree if they buy food that is freighted in from other countries. Of course they do.

The best way to preserve life on Earth is to eat less, eat local and give up food that is out of season. But show me a vegan who will do that.

I know of only one. (She is not me I must add).

Vegans believe they do not impact on animals

What all of them? How could you possibly know that?

[quote Magnited]@Innocenta You are missing my point. Vegans believe they do not impact on animals. My point is they do to a great degree if they buy food that is freighted in from other countries. Of course they do.

The best way to preserve life on Earth is to eat less, eat local and give up food that is out of season. But show me a vegan who will do that.

I know of only one. (She is not me I must add).[/quote]
Bit of a generalisation there

No, ‘vegans’ don’t. ‘Some vegans’ might.

No one is perfect but some people are trying different things to make a difference.

[quote Magnited]@Innocenta You are missing my point. Vegans believe they do not impact on animals. My point is they do to a great degree if they buy food that is freighted in from other countries. Of course they do.

The best way to preserve life on Earth is to eat less, eat local and give up food that is out of season. But show me a vegan who will do that.

I know of only one. (She is not me I must add).[/quote]
They don't though, although many are well aware of the environmental impact and try to make good choices. Again you're missing the fundamental point that they don't want to eat decaying flesh which seems fair enough to me.

I find the vegan bashing very tedious. People love to pretend they’re superior by eating locally grown meat from the local farm they walk to with a reusable tub but it’s nonsense - the vast majority of people are eating meat and meat products at a rate the planet can’t cope with, and they’re eating it in the form of breaded chicken and sausage rolls.

Just going by many, many coversations, social media posts and this thread @PurpleDaisies

If a vegan will come on and agree with my point that all this manufactured 'feel-good' food is bad for animals then I will accept that not ALL vegans believe that. But we are kind of scraping the barrel now are we not?

From the Vegan Society:
"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

As far as practically possible.

@Magnited

Here is my final piece tonight:

UK, Irish or Danish (etc) vegans, vegetarians, omnivores - buy local. Eat local produce. Eat in season produce. Cut down on air miles.

Cut down on exotic ingredients you do not need, flown in from other countries. It's boring, I know.

Do not be hoodwinked into believing your food choice is better than anybody else's unless you can truly understand the wider affect it has on animals.

That batch of sesame seeds used tonight on 100 buns has turned out the lights on a primate in India. Whether you are vegan, vegetarian or omnivore.

Buy local. No strawberries until May or June. No avocado. Who needs them?

That is the only sensible thing you have said all night. However, you're still espousing that there's a massive plant-based conspiracy 'hoodwinking' poor, naive, sheeple consumers and tricking them into eating ''meat'' and thinking they're going to live til 100. Well, nah, people can be entirely vegan or eat a McPlant every now and again for whatever damn reason they choose (which is what this burger is basically for to diversify choice, avoid eating a carcinogenic, plantetary timebomb and also quite probably make a few meat-eaters feel a bit more glowy on 'meat free Mondays' - no ethical vegan is going to shop at McD long term but maybe if they're desperate at a motorway service station). Yet you came on to this thread not to offer a review of the burger, but simply to vegan-bait and get on your high horse and illuminate how unhealthy (er, it's McD's)/bad for the planet/hypocritical and intolerant of other people's consumption choices eating plant-based is... Ironically

@Tobleroney

You’re spot on

They don't though, although many are well aware of the environmental impact and try to make good choices. Again you're missing the fundamental point that they don't want to eat decaying flesh which seems fair enough to me.

The fundamental point I am making - and which you are successfully ignoring - is that vegan food is not good for animals if it kills animals in the process of it being grown. It is not about EATING animals.

Thus, McDonalds McPlant - what is its true footprint on animal well being?

For burgers, coop frozen incredible burger is the winner by miles.

I think so too! We tried Gourmet Garden for dinner tonight - very disapointing.

[quote ineedsun]@Tobleroney

You’re spot on[/quote]
And curiously agrees with me!

@Legodout

For burgers, coop frozen incredible burger is the winner by miles.

I think so too! We tried Gourmet Garden for dinner tonight - very disapointing.

I prefer Iceland No Bull burgers to the coop ones. But they are pretty similar

@BIWI

OK - to make the point further - here are the ingredients for an equivalent quarterpounder beef patty:

Quarter Beef Patty
100% Pure Beef.
No additives, fillers, binders, preservatives or flavour enhancers. Just pure forequarter and flank. A little salt and pepper is added to season after cooking.

If you want to be vegan, it's your prerogative, obviously. But I wonder how many people realise just how processed these foods are?

As a vegan I don't live off McPlants (as tempting as it is with a mcDs 5 minute walk away).

I agree that most of the Veganuary offerings are ultra processed, it is just nice to have the option as an occasional treat!

I'm sure a lot of omnivores also eat a lot of ultra processed crap!

[quote Magnited]@Innocenta You are missing my point. Vegans believe they do not impact on animals. My point is they do to a great degree if they buy food that is freighted in from other countries. Of course they do.

The best way to preserve life on Earth is to eat less, eat local and give up food that is out of season. But show me a vegan who will do that.

I know of only one. (She is not me I must add).[/quote]
Check out Dominion, @Magnited - you might find it interesting!

www.dominionmovement.com/watch

(Just to clarify, I have 0 affiliation with the film.)

I appreciate BIWI's list.
I'm vegetarian but can't eat onion or garlic so can't usually have veggie burgers.
Turns out this one I can!
Just need to have no onion and vegan sauce. That's my takeaway this week sorted.
Wonder if I can just have ketchup and also as a non vegan would prefer cheese to cheeze

@Magnited

They don't though, although many are well aware of the environmental impact and try to make good choices. Again you're missing the fundamental point that they don't want to eat decaying flesh which seems fair enough to me.

The fundamental point I am making - and which you are successfully ignoring - is that vegan food is not good for animals if it kills animals in the process of it being grown. It is not about EATING animals.

Thus, McDonalds McPlant - what is its true footprint on animal well being?

I think you're the one missing my point. Vegans are perfectly well aware there is no harm-free diet or ethical position; you aren't breaking that news to us!

Nevertheless: 200 lives saved per year by each person who turns vegan.

By the way, that means that doing Veganuary = saving on average over 16 animals' lives.

I’m so confused!

@gogohm

Dd refused to eat it because they wouldn't substitute the fake cheese for proper cheese. It seems ridiculous they only have vegan now not vegetarian

Just seen this. No veggie -plant-based-burger for me then. Just when I thought I found one with chemicals rather than garlic and onion