Star Hobson verdict in

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Savannah Brockhill Guilty of murder. Frankie Smith Guilty of causing or allowing death.

@SofiaMichelle

It's "SMITH", for fuck's sake. Not bloody "Frankie".

This is an evil monster who has been part of the killing of a child. Her OWN child.

Angry demands that others use the language you deem appropriate? I’m not sure you occupy the moral high ground as securely as you think you do.

I with SofiaMichelle.
Why are people referring to these things by their first names as if they know them.
They don’t deserve a name.
Scumbag maggots will do fine and That’s an insult to scumbags and maggots. .

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

I with SofiaMichelle. Why are people referring to these things by their first names as if they know them. They don’t deserve a name. Scumbag maggots will do fine and That’s an insult to scumbags and maggots. .

I think because it's not a competition to see who can be the most Outraged and Offended. It's fairly clear that everyone is appalled.

Well if I thought it would do any good, I’d ask the “Scumbag and Maggots” crowd to take a look at the Derek Bentley Case. A man who shot a policeman and was later executed for it. He had an IQ of 66 and in was sentenced to death. I think we would all mostly agree that the post humous pardon he received was the right and moral thing to do. Thankfully society has moved on somewhat and we no longer have the death penalty and I for one as the mother of two teenagers with significant learning difficulties am grateful that LD’s are taken into account when determining guilt around criminal behaviour. It doesn’t mean I am not disgusted and horrified about the actions of FS, and I think it’s rather simplistic and exhibits a lack of critical thinking skills to equate discussing anything other than “EVIL!”, as an apology or excuse for these terrible actions.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley_case

I've scrolled back and can't see it, but has anyone seen/commented that it's being reported that FS's Dad/Star's grandad committed suicide in June?

He wrote to FS to say he was going to look after Star. How sad.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

The update on SB illness. Discharged herself so as not to delay trial, apparently. Before the cause of the seizures could be identified.

In a totally unrelated note, does anyone know what type of drugs present in a prison would cause seizures and cardiac arrest?

The post after that one states she'd had these seizures since her teens so plenty of time to investigate before now

@DottyHarmer

It is my firm opinion that often social workers are afraid of their clients. Quite reasonably, I suppose, as the typical chaotic/abusive home is unlikely to be welcoming. In the case of Baby P one social worker had not dared to enter the home.

I am not familiar with social work procedures, but imo there needs to be a -quite literal - beefing up of social work staff, such that they are or accompanied by personnel who are not intimidated.

I have friends and contacts in social services. All of them have said at various points that it is a profession that needs to attract more men. When the social worker is male they can often get entry to high risk homes because they are less likely to get threatened with violence or feel intimitaded.

@ElephantOfRisk

I've scrolled back and can't see it, but has anyone seen/commented that it's being reported that FS's Dad/Star's grandad committed suicide in June?

He wrote to FS to say he was going to look after Star. How sad.

He couldn’t take it that his daughter is a child murderer. Poor man

You’re right, it does say that. Interesting though that despite not being as “robust” as someone of her age should be and suffering seizures since she was a teen, (but uninvestigated ) she managed to maintain her amateur boxing career to Olympic standard. Maybe there is a boxing category for the “non robust”.

From what I have read, if FS had never met/got involved with SB she, with her family support could have continued to raise Star perfectly well.

I'm not excusing her involvement, but it is another nail in the coffin of SB who was clearly a manipulator and controller in this whole thing.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

You’re right, it does say that. Interesting though that despite not being as “robust” as someone of her age should be and suffering seizures since she was a teen, (but uninvestigated ) she managed to maintain her amateur boxing career to Olympic standard. Maybe there is a boxing category for the “non robust”.

And also managed to be aggressive and violent to both adults and a small child.

@Ozanj he also couldn’t take that some of the acts of cruelty FS admitted in court (waking up, etc) were carried out by him on FS as a child, which is why she couldn’t see that they were cruel at the time.

And also managed to be aggressive and violent to both adults and a small child.

Yep.

[quote NoNamesAvailableAnymore]@Ozanj he also couldn’t take that some of the acts of cruelty FS admitted in court (waking up, etc) were carried out by him on FS as a child, which is why she couldn’t see that they were cruel at the time.[/quote]
FS is a desperate bitch who was blaming everyone except herself to get a reduced sentence. Who knows if what she accused him of was even true. I doubt it was - if so then everyone associated with her Dad’s family wouldn’t have tried to report her.

I think the the grandfather was accused of being a bigot.
I wonder if it was the fact that the mother had moved from a heterosexual relationship to a lesbian one and the SW decided the family were against that - hence their views were ignored/played down. A politically correct SW.

@Ozanj, I think you were reading a different trial to me. She invited child cruelty charges to be added on to plead guilty after accepting that her behaviour was cruel, although she didn’t understand that it was at the time, but they weren’t. FS dad wrote to her in prison and told her to look after herself, and that he was going to look after Star now. I think there was a lot of guilt at play there.

[quote LondonWolf]Well if I thought it would do any good, I’d ask the “Scumbag and Maggots” crowd to take a look at the Derek Bentley Case. A man who shot a policeman and was later executed for it. He had an IQ of 66 and in was sentenced to death. I think we would all mostly agree that the post humous pardon he received was the right and moral thing to do. Thankfully society has moved on somewhat and we no longer have the death penalty and I for one as the mother of two teenagers with significant learning difficulties am grateful that LD’s are taken into account when determining guilt around criminal behaviour. It doesn’t mean I am not disgusted and horrified about the actions of FS, and I think it’s rather simplistic and exhibits a lack of critical thinking skills to equate discussing anything other than “EVIL!”, as an apology or excuse for these terrible actions.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley_case[/quote]
Derek Bentley wasn't even the killer. The killer wasn't executed as he was a minor as far as I remember.

MaryandJerrylivinginDerry my heart bleeds for her. Not so tough now she faces her sentence is she. Not robust but boxed to Olympic standard. Yeah right.

@Malibuismysecrethome

MaryandJerrylivinginDerry my heart bleeds for her. Not so tough now she faces her sentence is she. Not robust but boxed to Olympic standard. Yeah right.

Exactly. It doesn’t make sense. Surely if you had Swiss idea since your teenage years that led to cardiac arrest, that hadnt been investigated, you would be ruled out from competing? You wouldn’t be insurable.

Swiss idea= seizures

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Or they could have suitable training like the police do.

Even then, I don’t think they should be working alone.

No not alone but I don't think it has to be a police officer or security of some sort. I think it would be better to have two social workers for difficult situations and they should be trained.

Agree

Also "Smith" is not a monster. She is a human. A young, adult, female human. Humans are complex creatures, monsters do not exist, I know it can help emotionally to detach these people from humanity but the simple fact is these horrific crimes are commited by members of our human race.

It’s probably all nonsense trying to mitigate her sentencing.

Exactly. It doesn’t make sense. Surely if you had Swiss idea since your teenage years that led to cardiac arrest, that hadnt been investigated, you would be ruled out from competing? You wouldn’t be insurable. I agree, you need a licence to box as a professional which I think includes a medical. Don't know how it works for Olympics.

Small point but I have epilepsy and I have never heard of someone having an 80min seizure. 10 minutes is dangerous.