Star Hobson verdict in

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Savannah Brockhill Guilty of murder. Frankie Smith Guilty of causing or allowing death.

@TheNamelessGirl

People like Namelessgirl most certainly don’t have relatives with learning difficulties

Ok then. Wrong I'm afraid.

There is a difference between having a learning disability and being stupid. Many people with learning disabilities are very intelligent so frankly this is really offensive.

So you know better than court appointed experts then? From an armchair position.

This is going around in circles.

Whatever decision the judge makes I’m confident it will be the right, informed one.

In this case I hope the social workers involved get convicted of gross negligence.
Aren’t they public servants? Can they be sent to trial and face jail themselves for incompetence? Neglect of duty ?
Can they be named and shamed?

Poor, poor baby, I am so saddened by this case.

The perpetrators are absolutely to blame here, but whilst these cruel individuals exist in society, a safety net is needed in the form of social services and other professionals, to protect our defenceless and vulnerable. The safety net needs to be water tight. More funding is needed, more education is needed.

How many more children must suffer and how many ‘lessons learned’ before change actually happens? The whole system is broken!

I’ve never understood how, if you try and adopt a dog from a rescue, you and your family, home environment, working hours etc. are assessed, yet anyone can have a baby and you’re sent on your merry way to get on with it!

Again @MNHQ I'd like an explanation please for the deleted posts. Nothing has been said by me that contravenes talk guidelines as far as I am aware. Whoever is reporting me repeatedly because they don't like what I'm saying is being malicious because nothing I have said is not supported by facts.

@TheNamelessGirl, please check your emails as we have emailed you to explain why we've removed your posts.

There is a difference between having a learning disability and being stupid

This is true, yet not really relevant in this case because FS has a very low IQ and is proven not to be intelligent.

@lollipoprainbow

*I couldn’t agree more about Star’s father. He himself has a criminal record of violence and he had PR. He could easily have removed Star from FS at least temporarily if he really wanted to. But the truth is he wasn’t interested in her.

The men in these situations always get a free pass.*

He didn't kill her though did he ? Or stand by and watch her be abused ??

He did stand by. One phone call to social services, and back to his uni life. No, he didn't kill her. But he could have (and should have) done more. Since he was concerned enough to involve SS.

[quote ClaraMumsnet]@TheNamelessGirl, please check your emails as we have emailed you to explain why we've removed your posts.[/quote]
I've seen that and responded. I hope you correct the error.

Seriously the nameless girl, it's shocking that you cannot see what's wrong with your comments. You basically called someone with an intellectual disability stupid. It's offensive.

I find it interesting how the chat has focused on fs rather than sb.

@TheNamelessGirl

There are kinder ways to refer to somebody with a learning disability, whether you agree with frankie smith or not I don’t actually care, but it’s offensive to other people reading your posts who have children with low iq / learning disabilities, if my sons dr said my son was ‘stupid’ (I don’t care if that’s how they used to refer to it) I’d punch him in the face, or make a complaint at least, depending what mood he caught me in. You just don’t say that in this day and age. It’s a derogatory term.

Ps I haven’t reported your posts up to now, but I’m going to report your last one. 👍🏻

@Sweetmayday

Seriously the nameless girl, it's shocking that you cannot see what's wrong with your comments. You basically called someone with an intellectual disability stupid. It's offensive.

That isn't the case at all though, is it? You need to read it again as you've clearly misunderstood.

An iq of between 50-70 is classed as having a Mild General Learning Disability. Someone with an iq in that range is classed as having a serious disability and will often go to special needs school or need a lot of support in mainstream.

@Sweetmayday

An iq of between 50-70 is classed as having a Mild General Learning Disability. Someone with an iq in that range is classed as having a serious disability and will often go to special needs school or need a lot of support in mainstream.

And that wasn't the case here.

I can tell you now, many people I know with children with an intellectual disability would be offended at you referencing their child as ‘stupid’ it’s a horrid term to describe somebody.

Clearly mumsnet thought it was below the belt too as I reported your post and it was removed straight away.

Did Brockhill finally admit to delivering the fatal blow or is it the case that as she was the only adult in the room that she must've killed her ?

Smiths family did a lot for her and Star . Even before she met Brockhill it seems she was on her phone and ignoring her baby , her mother had to step in with care for Star.
Hopefully the Judge will make the sentence reflect the fact she continually put her child in danger , she admits she was suspicious of the injuries and spent time with Brockhill in the car at night .
Brockhill claims she took Star as she couldn't trust Smith not to palm her off onto whoever would babysit or even leave her on her own while she went drinking.
Time and time again they split up and got back tgether . She knew her daughter was at risk but put her in the dangerous situations.
As the person who should protect she majorly failed her .
And that should carry a long prison sentence

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But apparently she did look after star with family support until the new partner came along .[/quote]
So not capable of safeguarding her => she should have been removed to somewhere safe.

He did stand by. One phone call to social services, and back to his uni life. No, he didn't kill her. But he could have (and should have) done more. Since he was concerned enough to involve SS.

It’s not that easy though.
If SS said she’s not at danger what was he supposed to do - break in to the house and kidnap her?

Even the extended family and friends were helpless. I read that the grandfather posted a FB video showing the bruises because they were at a loss of what else to do.

In this situation the father and rest of the family and friends didn’t turn a blind eye. It was the two women who did this and she was let down further by SS.

@WonderfulYou

He did stand by. One phone call to social services, and back to his uni life. No, he didn't kill her. But he could have (and should have) done more. Since he was concerned enough to involve SS.

It’s not that easy though.
If SS said she’s not at danger what was he supposed to do - break in to the house and kidnap her?

Even the extended family and friends were helpless. I read that the grandfather posted a FB video showing the bruises because they were at a loss of what else to do.

In this situation the father and rest of the family and friends didn’t turn a blind eye. It was the two women who did this and she was let down further by SS.

I agree. He didn't kill her, but he should have done more. If he was concerned enough by the bruises, then he should have come home. As a mum, I would have. And so would most people I know.