Tustin and Hughes thread 2

[Bagelsandbrie]

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

I think they need to demolish the house and build a children’s playground there in honour of Arthur.

@Porcupineintherough

I dont think it matters whether the hairdresser was a friend or just an acquaintance. What is truly concerning is that two adults outside the family circle witnessed the shocking way Arthur was treated and did nothing.

Monsters like Tustin and Huges will always be with us, luckily there are few of them. But how many other people are there who would sit back and watch a small child be mistreated without protest? I find the idea that Tustin didnt even feel the need to hide her treatment of Arthur from outsiders (other than "the social") profoundly disturbing.

I agree but the point seems to be that they could have known what was happening to Arthur for longer than it appears.

Clearly, given the inaction of the hairdresser and the boyfriend this type of thing, at a lower level, must be endemic in society. Others must have seen what was going on too. Too many families without the right skills to care for children properly. There are a whole host of reasons why this is the case but to my mind drug and alcohol abuse is so rampant yet so devastating that authorities need to take a much stronger line from the off if people have children. Unfortunately it's so normalised in society that drinking gin and Prosecco is virtually a badge of honour across all social
classes. If we want to save children like Arthur we all need to take a strong look at ourselves and the seemingly small things we have turned a blind eye to. The hairdresser and her boyfriend should both be prosecuted, what they witnessed was clearly abusive and they did nothing. They are culpable too. My heart breaks for that little boy.

@BonnesVacances True and it is frustrating. I did wonder if the fact Tustin sent photos of Arthur to Hughes, after she attacked him and left him to die, would be enough to sway it. Hughes did not summon help but was aware his son was dying in the hall.

I am becoming more in favour of castration for people like Hughes..clearly has no need for a pair of balls.

Also, we need a change to the law so manslaughter like Hughes is sentenced akin to murder. We all know he is a murderer too. I've signed a petition for whole of life tariff for both of them (it's on change). I suggest other people do
too. I hope they both burn in hell.

@Bagelsandbrie

I think they need to demolish the house and build a children’s playground there in honour of Arthur.

That's a nice idea

"No way could that “Hairdresser “ be a professional.
Tustin’s scraggy Plaits with harsh grown out bleach is not the work of a professional hairdresser.
That woman was clearly a friend, and one that condoned violence to a child."

Until yesterday Affy Milhench the hairdresser, had a page on Facebook saying she was a hairdresser. She's now changed her info and removed her photo to that of a dog. Obviously not a very good professional hairdresser

@nomoneytree

Yes, I’ve seen that petition, too, and signed it, too. How is their brutal torture and murder of a defenceless little boy not deserving of a whole life tarif?

@ufucoffee

"No way could that “Hairdresser “ be a professional. Tustin’s scraggy Plaits with harsh grown out bleach is not the work of a professional hairdresser. That woman was clearly a friend, and one that condoned violence to a child."

Until yesterday Affy Milhench the hairdresser, had a page on Facebook saying she was a hairdresser. She's now changed her info and removed her photo to that of a dog. Obviously not a very good professional hairdresser

I have read that as well.

Was drugs and alcohol misuse referred to in the trial? In trying to comprehend the evilness of this pair, the explanation of being spaced out on drugs could go some way but I haven't read any reports that either of them were using drugs. The pair of them appear to be sociopathic and how chilling they very quickly stopped seeing Arthur as an innocent little boy. Poor child had no chance and the lockdown really was the very worst situation for him. I agree that it is very disturbing to think that this hairdresser and her partner witnessed hours of horrific abuse in the days before he died. This child was dying of malnutrition by this stage yet they didn't want to get involved in other people's parenting? If they thought this was acceptable I would be looking carefully at their own children's welfare.

@Malibuismysecrethome

There doesn’t seem to be any sharing of information between school, social services, health, welfare and police. Is this due to data protection or rights or is it just poor performance by individuals. If there was a collection of available up to date information then surely these cases wouldn’t keep happening. It has never been easier to collect information on all of us why didn’t this all flag up.

There is (or is meant to be) sharing between all those agencies. Child protection always overrides data protection.

@nomoneytree I saw the petition and signed it ...let’s hope they both are never ever released ...most hated peoples in Britain ...and those that aided them by not speaking out and saving this poor mite

Well on this thread or another like it a teacher said a violent unpleasant thug they were all afraid of made his 5 year old stand outside in the dark for an hour and all the adults sat around and let it happen.

We need more tips and help on how to get past these dominant characters. Beggars absolute belief but I do feel if the law changes to make by standers complicit then it will help weaker people get that courage to act.

But.. In this case would it have helped? Would police have just said.. Well sw said its fine??

I actually wondered if ET put her hair in to those plaits after she realised Arthur was dying and she knew she’d be arrested and put in custody. There was apparently 12 minutes between the attack and the 999 call. Enough time to do it. She would have known that if she was arrested she was going to be in a cell for some time and plaits would make her hair a lot easier to cope with. She’s also vain and knew she would be getting a mug shot photo taken. Plaits are a better look than loose unbrushed hair. Particularly if hers is naturally frizzy or thick.

Peter Connelly ("Baby P") died 14 years ago. In the Serious Case Review in 2009 the Panel concluded that "Peter's horrifying death could and should have been prevented." and that, for a case which reflected such highest level of concern, the interventions were:

• lacking urgency

• lacking thoroughness

- insufficiently challenging to the parent - lacking action in response to reasonable inference - insufficiently focussed on the children's welfare - based on too high a threshold for intervention - based on expectations that were too low.

Where have we heard all this recently?

Lessons to be learned from the death of Daniel Pelka 2013 :

"Despite Daniel being the focus of concern for all practitioners, in reality he was rarely the focus of in reality he was rarely the focus of their interventions.

Simply seeing a child is not protection against harm. The child needs to be seen, listened to and heard.

Treat parents and carers with respect and listen to their information, always verify the information that they provide via other sources.

Always check information out – children are best protected when
information is clearly shared across the professionals involved and action is coordinated. Never assume that someone else is doing something when you have a cause for concern – two professionals taking action is better than no one taking action at all.

Parental participation is not the same as cooperation.

Yeah right.

Any bets on what will be included in the SCR into the death of Arthur? As far as I can see all they need to do is dig out previous SCR reports and just do a copy and paste. It's absolutely disgraceful.

And what is equally upsetting is the thought that Arthur would have been a low priority in his social worker's high caseload. The amount of neglect and abuse of children in our country for whatever reason or circumstance is quite staggering.

Mrs soho apparently he witnessed or was present during serious violence in his maternal home where his mum went onto to fatally attack someone.
He already had some input and interventions.

What an utter mess.

I am not happy with Hughes sentencing.

He scared that boy to death, sreaming in his face and ears constantly, threats openly made, whispering what he was going to do to him.

That boy became nothing to him, I don't believe a word he said about his care for him, any phone calls Hughes made were entirely to cover his tracks at the end to appear thoughtful.

His feigned ignorance rubbing his stomach and head on that police cam video, he knew full well what he had been doing.
An abusive utter cunt of a father, Arthur was in his sole care for less than three months and within that whole time he bullied, degraded and victimised him. Tortured him.

The video of Arthur trying to stand with his bedding on the morning of June 16th, he was already dying.
He had already 4 bleeds on his brain that had been inflicted, probably by Hughes at that point, hundreds of bruises, it's complete madness this man could be out in 10 years.

There was no way that child would have survived. Both are guilty of murdering him in my opinion, both equaly guilty.

Both should rot in prison.
It's an insult to Arthur's memory that this man, his father could be free in ten years.

I'm sure Arthur would have wanted him dead, both of them, he was powerless, defenceless and totally alone, no one saved him, he knew he was going to die, a six year old knowing that ! The pychological pain and physical pain is unimaginable.

The least that can be done is to incarcerate this monster for life, he was no innocent bystander.

Lock him up, throw away the key and forget about the fucker just like he did with his own son.

That poor poor little boy. What a dreadful life he had in his 6 short years. Something's gone terribly wrong on many levels I think.

As many others have said this a a much wider environmental, societal issue.

So many people seem to be leaping from relationship to relationship & have children very casuall. And are then ill equipped to deal with these children or the children that come as part of the new relationship. A quick read of these boards relating to step children is v illuminating on this.

The real losers are always the children!

I can't imagine being the friend, the hairdresser & observing this behaviour and saying / doing nothing. That in itself is insightful of what their world was like. Harsh, brutal, violence just accepted.

Is it education? Poverty? What makes whole societies like this? I hope they're under scrutiny now for the part they played in poor Arthur's horror.

I get that social workers are under pressure & under financed BUT they did spectacularly mess up here. How many other at risk children will die before it changes?

www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/19760810.parents-spared-jail-covering-10-week-old-babys-broken-leg/?fbclid=IwAR3pbZECrTF2yq3bbeGQl4uD0NolEHYJ2_wYXkM9paKGrbjiLDEUFWMjLiw

Wtf

I read today that Hughes said when he found poor Arthur unresponsive on the sofa he slapped him on the back of the head & poured coke cola down his throat.

Imagine hitting him even then

@NalPolishRemover

I read today that Hughes said when he found poor Arthur unresponsive on the sofa he slapped him on the back of the head & poured coke cola down his throat.

Imagine hitting him even then

I have been thinking about this, and the footage of them both on the police camera with Tustin talking. I think they’d beaten Arthur unconscious before. They obviously thought he’d just wake up like he’d done before (if my assumption is correct) and that’s why they both seem so calm / laid back. I bet Hughes had knocked him out previously and revived him with a drink and a prod / smack. That’s why he thought it would work this time.

@NalPolishRemover

I read today that Hughes said when he found poor Arthur unresponsive on the sofa he slapped him on the back of the head & poured coke cola down his throat.

Imagine hitting him even then

Yes an abusive imbecile, who no longer wanted his son, he was an inconvienience in his new life.

An emotional, physical and financial drain is how he viewed Arthur.

A problem to be solved and the only solution was to exterminate him, I have no doubt about that.

I stll think it was premeditated, the long term prefered result was the 'ending' of that boy, as said by Hughes himself.

Hughes play the innocent, the ignorant, the fool but he is not, he was a selfish bastard with albsolutely no feelings in him whatsover for anyone but himself.

A quick read of these boards relating to step children is v illuminating on this.

@NalPolishRemover

I've never wanted to bring a storm of vitriol of my head but I am often shocked by the attitudes of people on this board towards stepchildren - I understand that it must be tough but people seem to have no compunction or shame in making clear they regard them as just a nuisance.

I have some issues with my partner's family but I will give them unbounding credit for this - two of his siblings have stepchildren who they have parented very much better than their own birth families did and his parents have treated their many step-grandchildren as if they were their own relatives. Wish that was a whole lot more common.