Tustin and Hughes thread 2

[Bagelsandbrie]

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

I was thinking his poor birth mother, then googled her to read she's in prison for stabbing her boyfriend to death. The poor kid didn't stand a chance with parents like this

Malibu I ve not noted any shame on her part over her own son.
She seems to blame it all on tustin..

@Yebbie, I think she was actually from a really good home herself, went to public school school was studying towards a really impressive degree when she met Hughes and fell pregnant. The man she killed was her partner who she said had been abusing her. It's not as clear cut as "parents like that". She wasn't like Hughes. She lost it at her abusive (she said) partner in a drug and drink fuelled rage. Hughes and Tustin carried out a sustained system of abuse and torture on a 6 year old boy. The two things are not that similar.

Given the media with this case and the harrowing cctv footage, why did the judge give such shit sentences?
The judge could have given much longer sentences in both cases.
And why should Hughes be a free man in 14 years, whilst Tustin will remain behind bars for almost 30 years?
They are both vile, but I don’t see why she should have got a more substantial sentence, and he was only on trial for manslaughter.

We have to remember that these people are not reasonable or rational.
I doubt the consequences of what they were doing ever entered their minds. Regardless of what punishment they would have got, they would still have killed poor Arthur.
But the thought of them being led to their deaths by the justice system would bring some justice ( if we had the death penalty for such cases)
Just for a few minutes before their deaths, they could have seen how poor Arthur felt every day.
Such a shame our justice system is so crap. Drug dealers have got longer sentences than Hughes got.

Sorry if this has already been shared:
Their jail terms are to be reviewed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59532071

www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-petition-to-have-arthur-labinjo-hughes-killers-given-a-whole-life-order?signed=true

I've been following this right from the deleted thread and I feel very relieved that they were found guilty and sentenced accordingly. Though I hope the appeal adds more years on to their sentence

It's interesting that Hughes' mother didn't condemn him. At the moment, I'm being charitable and saying that as a witness she may have not known the extent of the evidence, and that now the trial is over, she will have access to the full facts and change her mind. But sadly I suspect that she's another grandparent who's blind to her son's failings.

Hughes. To be honest, isn't he just like many men described on mumsnet? The wankers who are Great Dads because they have their kids occasionally if they've nothing else better to do but it's their mum doing the actual parenting for them. The heavy lifting. The job of actual child rearing.

This fucker lasted mere months on his own as a parent before he caused the death of his child. Until then his ex likely did all the heavy lifting as a parent, and her being in a DV /addict relationship with his child in that environment was of fuck all concern to him. Only her arrest forced him to be an actual dad, but it sounds like both grandmothers took over in parenting after that. Not him. When Arthur was in his sole custody, he was dead within months.

In short, he's like every other fuckwit dad described on mumsnet as a 'good dad'. But he wasn't even close to the bog standard shittiness of Great Dad. He was worse. . He was on record as commiting DV during his relationship with Olivia. And it's documented that he punched holes in walls before he even moved in with Tustin. Finally, Arthur had been telling people for a full year before his death that his dad would kill him

He introduced a woman he met on Plenty of Fish to his already traumatised child on the THIRD date. Arthur was his prop to show this new woman what a Great Dad he is.

We need to learn lessons in terms of SS procedures, and policing, sure, but we can't overlook the very important lesson - possibly the biggest one - why aren't we as a society demanding higher parenting standards and abilities from fathers? Hughes is the extreme end of the spectrum of shit dad but why do we as a society not shun and judge any man who is a shit dad in the first place?

@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist

I think they should reintroduce the death penalty for child killers. Maybe then they will think twice before carrying out their despicable actions. Sorry but 29 years for killing a 6 year old boy who could have had 80+ years of life ahead of him isn’t enough. It’s an insult to that child and devalues their life.

I'm not in favour of the death penalty in general but I can't help but agree that if anyone should be sent to the scaffold, it's this pair.

we need social workers, we dont want a witch hunt of social workers like there was with baby p, as tempting as it is, our hatred must be for the two who he lived with

Some people have commented that it's strange that 'the hairdresser' allegedly spent 2 days doing ET's hair and yet it looks an absolute mess in the videos of her talking to the police and certainly not like she's had 2 days of hair appointments.

They were saying it suggests the hairdresser was actually a friend.

I dont think it matters whether the hairdresser was a friend or just an acquaintance. What is truly concerning is that two adults outside the family circle witnessed the shocking way Arthur was treated and did nothing.

Monsters like Tustin and Huges will always be with us, luckily there are few of them. But how many other people are there who would sit back and watch a small child be mistreated without protest? I find the idea that Tustin didnt even feel the need to hide her treatment of Arthur from outsiders (other than "the social") profoundly disturbing.

The multiple agencies who should have protected this vulnerable, at risk, child failed abysmally. I don't want individuals witch hunted but there has to be an admittance of failure from all those involved. The reasons why they failed to protect Arthur need to be pulled apart and the Safeguarding regulations ripped up and re written as they didn't work! How many other vulnerable, helpless, innocent children are right at this minute being abused and living in danger? ET had a history of serious mental illness for fuck sake yet SS thought it perfectly fine for Arthur to move in with her when he himself was already a vulnerable child. His school questioned why he wasn't there after reopening and the father actually said he'd lost so much weight he might collapse if he went to school. How in the hell did that not trigger an urgent SS visit given the previous reports of abuse from other relatives? Seriously our systems are not fit for purpose. No doubt underfunding and understaffing of SS is a major factor. Ultimately those two excuses of human beings are responsible but there's also a long list of agencies that have to take the blame for not protecting Arthur.

mrshoho
Exactly this!!
Agree completly

There doesn’t seem to be any sharing of information between school, social services, health, welfare and police. Is this due to data protection or rights or is it just poor performance by individuals. If there was a collection of available up to date information then surely these cases wouldn’t keep happening.
It has never been easier to collect information on all of us why didn’t this all flag up.

@Porcupineintherough

I dont think it matters whether the hairdresser was a friend or just an acquaintance. What is truly concerning is that two adults outside the family circle witnessed the shocking way Arthur was treated and did nothing.

Monsters like Tustin and Huges will always be with us, luckily there are few of them. But how many other people are there who would sit back and watch a small child be mistreated without protest? I find the idea that Tustin didnt even feel the need to hide her treatment of Arthur from outsiders (other than "the social") profoundly disturbing.

This.

I think the whole issue over the hairdresser being a friend is that it’s a social circle - not a professional encounter - and therefore it’s indicative that those within this circle (and many others like it) viewed this “discipline” (😡🙄) as acceptable or within acceptable boundaries. If the hairdresser was outside of the social circle chances are she and her boyfriend might have been more compelled to report it - less loyalty to Tustin and Hughes and different social rules of what’s acceptable etc perhaps. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter now but it shows how whole pockets of our society see nothing wrong with this sort of stuff.

@mrshoho

The multiple agencies who should have protected this vulnerable, at risk, child failed abysmally. I don't want individuals witch hunted but there has to be an admittance of failure from all those involved. The reasons why they failed to protect Arthur need to be pulled apart and the Safeguarding regulations ripped up and re written as they didn't work! How many other vulnerable, helpless, innocent children are right at this minute being abused and living in danger? ET had a history of serious mental illness for fuck sake yet SS thought it perfectly fine for Arthur to move in with her when he himself was already a vulnerable child. His school questioned why he wasn't there after reopening and the father actually said he'd lost so much weight he might collapse if he went to school. How in the hell did that not trigger an urgent SS visit given the previous reports of abuse from other relatives? Seriously our systems are not fit for purpose. No doubt underfunding and understaffing of SS is a major factor. Ultimately those two excuses of human beings are responsible but there's also a long list of agencies that have to take the blame for not protecting Arthur.

Absolutely.

No one joined up the dots.

@Malibuismysecrethome

There doesn’t seem to be any sharing of information between school, social services, health, welfare and police. Is this due to data protection or rights or is it just poor performance by individuals. If there was a collection of available up to date information then surely these cases wouldn’t keep happening. It has never been easier to collect information on all of us why didn’t this all flag up.

That is the thing though, sharing of information is supposedly built in to our Safeguarding policies. We are told that all evidence no matter how insignificant it may appear in isolation, when gathered with other concerns, builds a picture of what is going on. It clearly didn't happen as looking back in retrospect all the evidence was there.

Mrshoho thank you I didn’t know if maybe data protection stopped the sharing of information. I’m glad it’s part of safeguarding procedures and should happen. I suppose it takes someone to have an overview and see past the reports coming back that all is well though. I don’t think for example a doctor or health worker saw little Arthur before he was murdered. Perhaps thus was due to Covid restrictions or the poor little soul had a strong constitution bless him.

The hairdresser dud nothing , sweet F all!! She should be utterly ashamed and some ...how could you see this and not scream from the roof tops!! Hope she had an uncomfortable life ...she knew no doubt !!

How would you condone a child screaming in pain to be casually told he was being pressure pointed because it hurts him. A child who was by their own admission terribly weak. I think she should be investigated for her compliance in his torture.

In your home.

@Malibuismysecrethome

How would you condone a child screaming in pain to be casually told he was being pressure pointed because it hurts him. A child who was by their own admission terribly weak. I think she should be investigated for her compliance in his torture.

Yes I agree. Her and the boyfriend were complicit in his torture and should be charged as such.

@Iamnotamermaid

Completely agree with you *@Onthedunes*. I do not understand how Hughes got away with a manslaughter conviction. He certainly threatened to kill Arthur enough times and gave Tustin the green light to do behave the way she did.

In many ways he is worse than she is. He was the biological father of Arthur and should have protected him, he put the child in that situation by moving in with Tustin. He could have handed Arthur into the care of either grandmother, he had options here to protect his son that he did not take. Instead he was just the enabler and is as guilty of his murder as Tustin imho.

Just read there is going to be a review of the lenient jail terms for the pair of them.

I can't imagine that the jury were happy to find him guilty of manslaughter rather than murder, but their remit is clear. And he wasn't in the house at the time Arthur died. So he wasn't legally guilty of murder. Morally yes. But not in the eyes of the law.

@Itsnotover

Some people have commented that it's strange that 'the hairdresser' allegedly spent 2 days doing ET's hair and yet it looks an absolute mess in the videos of her talking to the police and certainly not like she's had 2 days of hair appointments.

They were saying it suggests the hairdresser was actually a friend.

No way could that “Hairdresser “ be a professional. Tustin’s scraggy Plaits with harsh grown out bleach is not the work of a professional hairdresser. That woman was clearly a friend, and one that condoned violence to a child.

I hope that Tustin’s council house is razed to the ground.
It needs wiping off the planet like other murder houses have been.