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Tustin and Hughes thread 2

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Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 14:40

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

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QuickSandSickSand · 04/12/2021 13:44

[quote Flapjacker48]@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist Says many when there is an abhorrent crime - however, it isn't ever going to happen in the UK and do you honestly think it deters people who are going to murder? Evidence from countries with it suggests not.[/quote]
I agree.

Also, I don’t like the idea of a child’s life being worth more of that than an adult’s life.

EvilPea · 04/12/2021 14:01

If we had the death penalty and we assume it would have stopped that final blow.
He’d still be starving. He’d still be being beaten. They would just be stopping short of killing him.

It doesn’t stop the abuse.

ilovebrie8 · 04/12/2021 14:07

I just hope they get served up some justice in prison! It’s inhumane what the did ....I hope they live in fear forever it boils my blood ...this story is worst thing I’ve ever read I can’t get it out of my mind...let’s hope end filters through to inmates about this pair ...

ilovebrie8 · 04/12/2021 14:08

News not end !

Onthedunes · 04/12/2021 14:09

I have read the daily court reports from the begining of the case, what will have been told in that case will have been the tip of the iceburg for Arthur.

24 hours a day, every minute, every second will have been hell for that poor boy, his only respite would have been sleep. You can see in that video of him with his bedding, the first thought in his head was the pain he was to endure that day. Maybe there was a few seconds when he awoke that it didn't exist and then reality hits.

No one loves me.

At 6 he knew full well what was happening to him, that his protector now hated him along with the primary tomentor and prison guard. Tustin had persuaded his father that Arthur was evil.
They say the age of concience is 7, Arthur knew how wrong this was, the pain of him knowing his father had betrayed him must have been so utterly breaking for him.
That is what kills me in all of this, is that Hughes, although an idiot would not have crossed that line with another partner, maybe.

That does not absolve him of guilt in my opinion, he knew when he cried in the shower after beating Arthur and 'going to town on him' that he had crossed that line for himself and for Tustin.

The treament of standing unaided for so long is treatment they use in concentation camps and against the Geneva convention of abuse to prisoners of war. They both did this.

In my mind Hughes is a murderer.
Arthur knew that.

Iamnotamermaid · 04/12/2021 14:36

Completely agree with you @Onthedunes. I do not understand how Hughes got away with a manslaughter conviction. He certainly threatened to kill Arthur enough times and gave Tustin the green light to do behave the way she did.

In many ways he is worse than she is. He was the biological father of Arthur and should have protected him, he put the child in that situation by moving in with Tustin. He could have handed Arthur into the care of either grandmother, he had options here to protect his son that he did not take. Instead he was just the enabler and is as guilty of his murder as Tustin imho.

Just read there is going to be a review of the lenient jail terms for the pair of them.

ElfontheShelfisLookingatYou · 04/12/2021 14:44

Yes someone high up said its too lenient but I actually thought tustin minimum of 29 years was good in the light of utter pathetic sentences we have seen.

ElfontheShelfisLookingatYou · 04/12/2021 14:47

Dad is far worse.
He had all the guidance, chat and the standards spelled out to him by the various people who spoke to hm about Arthur's vulnerability.

He Was fully enlightened, told Arthur's needs, put him first.

All of that went to the wayside once a clash occurred between a and t.
Suddenly Arthur's probable disliking of tustin was changed into Arthur's behaviour and all that advice and guidance was swept aside as Hughes deemed it was far more important that Arthur show respect and love to his amazing partner who was amazing to take them both on. Shock

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 04/12/2021 14:58

Quick Sand, the fact is that a child likely has many more years of life ahead of them than an adult. Therefore a child’s life is worth more. Children need protecting. Children are completely innocent and dependent on the adults around them. For a grown adult to set out to deliberately abuse their power over a defenceless child and then to go on murder them that is the most horrific crime and the punishment needs to reflect that. 21 years and 29 years for what they did is an absolute joke of a punishment.

oakleaffy · 04/12/2021 15:16

[quote EvilPea]**@oakleaffy* & @Malibuismysecrethome*

Exactly, it also can potentially take away an additional layer of protection for the child.
So in this case grandparents reporting. Would they continue to let Arthur see grandparents if they are reporting him?
So Arthur loses another ally and another safe haven.[/quote]
The system of reporting concerns needs to be 100% watertight and anonymous.
It does seem that preference is given to parent’s rights over children’s rights.

Yet we know there will be “No lessons learned”
As cases like this keep happening, with the perpetrators of neglect and cruelty on social service’s radar.

Yankey812 · 04/12/2021 15:20

People have not really mentioned his mother Olivia she must be going through hell even though she is a murderer she deserves some sympathy.

Bagelsandbrie · 04/12/2021 15:26

@Yankey812

People have not really mentioned his mother Olivia she must be going through hell even though she is a murderer she deserves some sympathy.
I’m not sure how I feel about her to be honest. I mean, if you look at it one way she took someone else’s son away from them by murdering them - her partner. And if we want to be really honest if she hadn’t turned to drink and drugs and murdered someone Arthur would still be with her and Tustin (and Hughes being abusive) wouldn’t have been been a factor in his life. I feel sorry for her on a human level of course, I don’t want to see anyone find out their son has been tortured and murdered but it’s a difficult thing to think about in terms of sympathy.
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EvilPea · 04/12/2021 15:40

@Yankey812

People have not really mentioned his mother Olivia she must be going through hell even though she is a murderer she deserves some sympathy.
My understanding is it’s not straightforward and she has my sympathies. I have no idea how she begins to process all the causes and effects of her life.
EvilPea · 04/12/2021 15:41

@oakleaffy people do make malicious accusations. Decent investigation will wrestle them out.
But your right. It needs to be 100% watertight so the jigsaw can be put together.

Yankey812 · 04/12/2021 15:45

She probably already blames herself for not being there for her son she doesn't really deserve this even though she has done wrong.

HPFA · 04/12/2021 16:09

@PrinzessinCressida

What really gets me is that there must be other children right now experiencing what Arthur went through, in varying degrees - hopefully not about to be murdered, but tortured and in pain, feeling scared and confused and unloved. It feels so hopeless. I wish we could stop it.
@PrinzessinCressida

There will be. And sadly, some of the Arthurs who survive will end up in prison, or as addicts, or with severe mental illness or, even worse, being abusers themselves.

And how much sympathy and support do we as a society give them? Not much.

Malibuismysecrethome · 04/12/2021 18:04

Such a big man going to town on a weakened, abused 6 year old boy. His mother must be very proud. Perhaps he can show how big he is in prison I’m sure there will be many willing to take him on. Cowardly c*nt

ilovebrie8 · 04/12/2021 18:38

I see that Tustin’s lawyer is a woman ...jeez who would want to represent her...nothing would make me do that job...arguing her defence is stomach churning ...

Iheartbaby · 04/12/2021 18:50

I would love the death sentence to be brought back for cases like this

Itstheprinciple · 04/12/2021 19:25

In my opinion, if this is to properly change, SWs have to operate in teams including a police officer and an expert HCP so each time they turn up at a home, they all turn up together and have the powers to fully investigate the home and the child, without their carer present. Obviously that would be massively expensive but I think it's the only way real change will actually happen. Yes, there are MASHs and the SW liaise with police and vice versa but it's not the same as them actually being there, on the ground, making informed decisions.

Onthedowns · 04/12/2021 19:34

@Itstheprinciple

In my opinion, if this is to properly change, SWs have to operate in teams including a police officer and an expert HCP so each time they turn up at a home, they all turn up together and have the powers to fully investigate the home and the child, without their carer present. Obviously that would be massively expensive but I think it's the only way real change will actually happen. Yes, there are MASHs and the SW liaise with police and vice versa but it's not the same as them actually being there, on the ground, making informed decisions.
Exactly a great idea it can't more be expensive than the multi agency teams in each sector - it might save the complete mis communication that is obviously occurring
hivemindneeded · 04/12/2021 20:02

@ilovebrie8

I see that Tustin’s lawyer is a woman ...jeez who would want to represent her...nothing would make me do that job...arguing her defence is stomach churning ...
You don't get a choice in UK. You don't get to turn a case down because you find the client wicked or repulsive. It is assigned to you. That's a principle of the law - that everyone gets a fair trial. I feel for her. It must have been a horrendous experience. A family friend had to defend a truly evil famous serial killer and never really got over it.
Cassimin · 04/12/2021 20:15

Itstheprinciple

I’m sure I read that 2 social workers went together.

ilovebrie8 · 04/12/2021 20:32

I think I’d have to go sick I couldn’t stomach it my conscience would kill me...what I’ve seen is sickening beyond belief ...and it’s probably just the top of the iceberg ...poor wee soul it’s heartbreaking never heard anything so grim in all my days Sad

PrinzessinCressida · 04/12/2021 20:49

Exactly, @HPFA. It is a cycle that keeps perpetuating itself and that we need to break. That's why early intervention models such as SureStart we're so good.