Tustin and Hughes thread 2

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Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

I also know someone who reported anonymously.
Everything they (SS) were told they repeated back to the client, including many personal identifying details that could only have come from one person. So no, you can’t report anonymously.

@JustLyra

I’m so sorry. and I’m also sorry for your ex neighbour. She was another tortured by your fathers actions.

You make a big step to report and you do it to make things better for the child. To stop it.

@Hearwego

Can a petition be started to impose whole life tariffs for child killers? In very extreme cases like this.

I agree. If they can change the law on this for killers of police officers or other emergency services workers, they should definitely do the same with regards to those who kill children.

Although the big issue here is the father being convicted of manslaughter rather than murder because of him not having been there. But surely the texts could have been enough to convict him of murder on joint enterprise? The text about ‘ending’ his son should have made that possible?

What about the children killing children though?
Is it right to lock a 15 year old up for stabbing another 15 year old? Did they really understand the ramifications of it? Were they groomed by gangs?

You could change the law to those in a position of protection? E.g parent, step parent, grandparent etc etc

Was the source about the jumping from a multi-storey car park an ex-BF?? How reliable is that information?

It was reported in court.

@EvilPea

Agreed. I think that would make sense. Parents or other adults in a position of trust?

With the baby p case and a lot of other cases they receive weak sentences even recently there was an article about a boy who was so badly injured he had to have his legs amputated and the parents only got ten years so it is good that they received long sentences.

@Yankey812

With the baby p case and a lot of other cases they receive weak sentences even recently there was an article about a boy who was so badly injured he had to have his legs amputated and the parents only got ten years so it is good that they received long sentences.

Yes I read about this the other day. The sentences are becoming longer and so they should be.

[quote LizzieW1969]@EvilPea

Agreed. I think that would make sense. Parents or other adults in a position of trust?[/quote]
Yes. That seems the right wording.

There was a 24 hour in police custody recently where a parent had caused catastrophic injuries to their son. The child will need 24/7 care for the rest of his life.
The dad got 3 years.

@LizzieW1969 You honestly think that compulsory whole life tariffs would have in impact on people who murder children, as in they wouldn't do it because of this? It won't.

@Malibuismysecrethome

I also know someone who reported anonymously. Everything they (SS) were told they repeated back to the client, including many personal identifying details that could only have come from one person. So no, you can’t report anonymously.

That is horrendous. People who witness abuse will be far too afraid to ever report valid concerns

@oakleaffy & @Malibuismysecrethome

Exactly, it also can potentially take away an additional layer of protection for the child.
So in this case grandparents reporting. Would they continue to let Arthur see grandparents if they are reporting him?
So Arthur loses another ally and another safe haven.

So how many people actually reported abuse to SS.

His maternal grandparent.
His paternal stepfather.
The paternal uncle.
A neighbour.

Is that a 'normal' ammount of reports.
Surley that would put Arthur on a high alert response, especially with the pictures being sent.

Or is that a 'normal' ammount of reports to tick boxes and ignor.

In court it was proven that the picture sent of Arthur's back was not noticed by the sw. She said she looked and did not see it 24 hours after.

The doctors said it could not have dissapeared within that time frame.

To my mind that boy should have been stripped to view his whole body, he should have been taken for assesment with a doctor when that picture was seen, by sw and police.

It looked a bad bruise to me, coupled with the many reports from different families.

I think at the time paranoia was running rampant with covid and jobs were not done properly.

Hughes should have got the same sentence as Tustin if not actually more. As many of you have mentioned, he may have not been there at the exact moment Arthur was murdered but he was a complicit. A normal father who has sole custody of their child would end the relationship not encourage and be part of this evil doing. To me, Hughes should have got double the sentence as it was his responsibility to protect his own child. The text messages to kill him, the camera footage and many other evidence we probably don't know about clearly shows that Hughes has intentionally been part of the killing all this time so why is he being let off so easily?

It's Hughes' child, his responsibility not the step mothers responsibility. Tustin is a wicked evil sadistic human being but the tabloids and most people I've spoken to is concentrating on Tustin. The tabloids should be digging in to Hughes for failing to protect his own child. There's a photo on the dm with a headline saying something along the lines that "Evil stepmother scoffs on McDonald's whilst Arthur is left to starve". In that photo I see an evil father scoffing ice cream and letting his child starve. The evil father brought ice cream, served it to his degenerate evil partner whilst banishing his son to the hallway letting him starve.

I also think that judgment has a place. FWIW I used to work in child protection. The mother who used her own 7 year old as a drug mule and as an ashtray stood out as the straw that broke the camel's back for me and I left. I am sick to bloody death of excuses being made for such people.

I bet the grandmother is kicking herself she didn't take him to A&E to be assessed by the doctors

Could they then have stepped in and removed Arthur more quickly ?

Why wasn’t Hughes convicted of murder under the joint enterprise law ?

It's a fucked up system that needs a huge overhaul with much higher pay and support to keep decent caring SW doing the right thing for these battered and neglected DC

The DC need to be removed asap with a doctor to look at visible damage and X-rays to look at old ones, and calm kind surroundings so the DC can talk honestly without fear

Police and SW need to be allowed to storm troop a home at any time to check conditions etc. if there's nothing to hide then no one should need to object to impromptu visits

@drunkcow

I agree, he should have gone down in the annals of history for murdering his own son.

He allowed and then participated in the hatred and abuse of Arthur.

I think they should reintroduce the death penalty for child killers. Maybe then they will think twice before carrying out their despicable actions. Sorry but 29 years for killing a 6 year old boy who could have had 80+ years of life ahead of him isn’t enough. It’s an insult to that child and devalues their life.

And what about Hughes? Will he be out after serving half his tariff i.e. 10.5 years? He would still be young enough to father another child. Put them to sleep they don’t deserve to walk this earth.

@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist Says many when there is an abhorrent crime - however, it isn't ever going to happen in the UK and do you honestly think it deters people who are going to murder? Evidence from countries with it suggests not.

[quote Flapjacker48]@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist Says many when there is an abhorrent crime - however, it isn't ever going to happen in the UK and do you honestly think it deters people who are going to murder? Evidence from countries with it suggests not.[/quote]
Yes I do think it will act as a deterrent. And even if it doesn’t I do not think sentences of 29 years and 21 years (of which he will probably only serve half) are not enough for robbing a 6 year old child of their whole life (not to mention the cruelty he was subjected to in the lead up to his murder). That child died thinking no one loved him. They tortured him and then they murdered him. He deserves justice and so far he hasn’t got it.

• I don’t think those sentences are enough I mean