Tustin and Hughes thread 2

[Bagelsandbrie]

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

I struggle to understand how no neighbours would have heard that crying.?

I’ve watched the video of the police camera and the 999 call tonight and I’m astounded that she thought she could get away with it by insulting him, calling him a little shit when calling an ambulance and trying to make out as he died that he’s a difficult child. He was six. THAT is how far her abuse went, it was so normal to be disparaging of Arthur that she forgot it’s not normal to other people and they won’t agree that a dying boy is a little shit

@Naughtynovembertree

I struggle to understand how no neighbours would have heard that crying.?

They did, but she told them to ignore it. As far as I know one of the neighbours did report them though. Fat lot of good that did.

@QuickSandSickSand that footage suggests to me that she must be psychopathic or personality disordered. It is such abnormal behaviour. She can barely contain her contempt for Arthur, while he was dying from her attack.

Why on earth do bloody SS not speak to the child alone away from their family with an appropriate adult present to find out the truth.

How many times do we read about posters on MN worried because of the neighbours kids constantly crying? 95% pf responses are ‘mind your own business’

@JustLikea

Why on earth do bloody SS not speak to the child alone away from their family with an appropriate adult present to find out the truth.

They do, often as part of section 47 enquiries where essentially they do a number of things such as

• reports from GP
• any referrals to NSPCC
• ask school about concerns
• ask health visitors and midwives about any previous concerns

As part of the section 47 enquiries social workers also do ‘direct work’ with children, usually at school away from an influencing adult. They will ask questions to find out about what their home life is like.

Section 47 enquiries are pretty simple to tigger IIRC - ie the decision I trigger one can sit with a social worker and their manager - and it absolutely beggars belief that (presumably) one was not triggered for Arthur when various complaints were made

[quote Geppili]@QuickSandSickSand that footage suggests to me that she must be psychopathic or personality disordered. It is such abnormal behaviour. She can barely contain her contempt for Arthur, while he was dying from her attack. [/quote]
YY, I feel you can hear the suspicion in the police officer’s voice too. Presumably he was being treated in the ambulance at this point, in the brink of death and she is crying about how he’s ‘smashed up the house’. I was - what a STUPID vile woman

So basically the doctors and police could see and tell straight away Arthur had been abused for ages yet SS didn't have a clue.

What kind of training do SS actually have. It's just baffling

@Naughtynovembertree

Ellie I couidnt understand that either! Two days, what was happening?

I did wonder about the hair. In the police cam footage it was just in two scraggly braids. And that was the same day she had left the hair dresser!

Kurt, on fb the apparent son of the neighbour (adult) reportered this.

I'd like to know if it's true.
Maybe he didn't live tyere full time but said he reported and they all have blood on their hands.

I honestly don't know how no neighbours couldn't have heard all that and another said it was "normal"???

@JustLikea sometimes it takes as little as joining up all the different information from the agencies. BecauE normally school wouldn’t know if a child had been to A&E that week, and then the GP wouldn’t know if the child turned up to school with a limp that a parent lied about, the police only know what they’re told and in isolated instances, none of its that suspicious - painting a bigger picture, bringing it all together, can be a game changer. That never happened for Arthur and that’s inexcusable IMO

@Ellie56

Don't know whether this has been said before, but I'm glad to see that the press are now using the police mugshots showing Tustin as the ugly, evil witch she really is, instead of the nauseating, simpering photoshopped images we've seen accompanying all the trial reports.

And for saying she spent hours having her hair done over two days, all I can say is Affy or whatever her name is, was either having a laugh or struggling to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I thought this as well.

In the trial Affy was very clear that she wasn’t friends with Tustin and had only done her hair a few times but come on -!- they were obviously just having a good old chin wag, Tustins hair clearly didn’t get THAT much done to it! And Tustin refers to her as her “friend” on the cctv footage - “I was at my friends house”… not “hairdressers”. They were closer than the hairdresser wanted everyone to believe.

@Naughtynovembertree

I struggle to understand how no neighbours would have heard that crying.?

They did but one of the neighbours said she thought telling your child to fuck off and calling your child the c word constantly was “normal”.

🙄😡😡😡

Definitely! Who takes six hours to put someone’s hair in plaits?

I didn't read it as the neighbour thinking it was normal for normal people, more that she just thought it was Normal behaviour for Tustin. Eg. That that's how she spoke to her own kids too

Ah yes November it was the adult son who apparently reported it, I knew there was something missing from my post!

Quicksand supposedly after previous child abuse cases, all these services were supposed to communicate with each other so the dots would be joined quicker. Clearly that didn't happen here!

Just catching up from the last thread. It makes me so angry that there's people out there desperate for a child and Arthur gets treated like that. In fact, hundreds of people probably would have taken him in, given the chance. He had the sweetest, loveliest face and I hate to think of him lying alone in the mortuary. I hope those animals get what’s coming to them in prison.

There was a murder trial recently where I used to live where a man was literally horse whipped to death, and the neighbours heard the screams which went on well into the early hours.

The area is rough as fuck and the neighbours testified to say they didn’t report it because it would have been obvious it was them and the kind of people the murderers were, their life wouldn’t have been worth living and they had children to protect. Not everywhere is MN naice and ‘grassing’ WILL result in your window in the home where your children live being bricked, and an indefinite period of harrasment. It doesn’t excuse ignoring abuse but perhaps things aren’t always black and white as we’d like to think

@Kippersfortea

I didn't read it as the neighbour thinking it was normal for normal people, more that she just thought it was Normal behaviour for Tustin. Eg. That that's how she spoke to her own kids too

Hmmm maybe. But even if that’s what she meant she still should have reported it, knowing it isn’t normal!

Her hair I think she probably had that bleach job done can't work out what else would have taken so long, and it was over 2 days which is common if you are doing a colour on stages like going from an all over dark coloured tiny to a light blonde. Plaits couldn't have taken 6 hours no, and definitely not 2 sessions 2 days in a row. The only thing that could take so long is colour

@Bagelsandbrie

I do get what your saying, but I have lived in rough areas where everyone just swore all the time and shouted all the time. It's not always indicative of abuse. Although with the benefit of retrospect I do hope I didn't miss opportunities to protect any other kids.

[quote Kippersfortea]@Bagelsandbrie

I do get what your saying, but I have lived in rough areas where everyone just swore all the time and shouted all the time. It's not always indicative of abuse. Although with the benefit of retrospect I do hope I didn't miss opportunities to protect any other kids. [/quote]
I guess what I’m trying to say is if this is considered “normal” (as in the same way the hairdresser and boyfriend turned a blind eye to the abuse of Arthur in their own home - apart from giving him half a sodding glass of water 🙄😡) then how do we change that? How do we start at grass roots saying speaking to children like that isn’t ever okay? Smacking children isn’t ever okay? Attitudes need to change.

@QuickSandSickSand

There was a murder trial recently where I used to live where a man was literally horse whipped to death, and the neighbours heard the screams which went on well into the early hours.

The area is rough as fuck and the neighbours testified to say they didn’t report it because it would have been obvious it was them and the kind of people the murderers were, their life wouldn’t have been worth living and they had children to protect. Not everywhere is MN naice and ‘grassing’ WILL result in your window in the home where your children live being bricked, and an indefinite period of harrasment. It doesn’t excuse ignoring abuse but perhaps things aren’t always black and white as we’d like to think

YY to this. Unfortunately I'm also just on the edge of an area where grassing will lead to huge problems. A few years back my parents reported something concerning and spent the next month having to replace their car windscreen a total of 7 times as each time they replaced it, it was put through again. As you say, not everywhere is MN naice.

Her hair does look freshly bleached in the video and mugshot and in another earlier photo is darker so sounds like she was having it lightened which does take hours.