Emma Tustin is a murderer

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Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

I must admit the sentencing seems rather lenient, unlike most people i don't wish her harm in prison, thats not what it is there for but they both should have got whole life tariffs, certainly she should have.

I wouldn't mind if she gets clobbered, she earned it

I don't know much about this case, and I am late to it, but what I have seen is horrifying.

All I keep thinking is how to try to prevent more cases like this, and I can't think of a way that's not draconian, discriminatory in some way, or virtually impossible to implement. Has anyone got any thoughts? I've not had the balls to read the full thread yet (the video has undone me enough), so apologies if some of you have posted about this already.

We just can't keep letting this happen, can we? We can't.

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

A rich western country like the UK should be able to afford both, it shouldn't be one or the other.

Unfortunately, it has become that we do not care for either.

[quote Bagelsandbrie]@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry I agree. I think Tustin herself thought until yesterday she’d get away with it. It’s like she almost believed her lies herself. These people think they’re untouchable.[/quote]
Yes she really did think if she just kept denying it she would get away with it. On Monday she took a pill overdose to delay the trial, today she refused to attend sentencing. When the police attended the house she had her story planned and prepared, blaming Arthur. She is not and will not ever be a person who could be persuaded to treat someone better by the threat of a heavy sentence. She is the sort of person who will always think they can get a work around, even when faced with the worst outcome, like today, hearing she will serve 29 years, she will already be trying to arrange better treatment for herself, protection from other inmates, probably asking about being placed in a prison she prefers, giving her solicitor all the reasons why she can’t go to X prison and why she needs Y accommodations. She is the sort who will try and manipulate prison staff to get herself and easier time of it. Her mind will always be looking for a way to lessen the consequences for herself, so no, a harsh sentence would never be a deterrent for people like her. They always believe they can either get away with it, or work it to their best advantage.

What were the sentences?
I hope not too lenient!

This is one of the saddest things I've ever read about. Beautiful little Arthur so innocent and helpless had to endure so much in his short life. That poor little boy who felt nobody loved him or fed him. For all our Safeguarding rules (I work in a school where we have regular training) and legislation updates we have really not come very far in protecting our most vulnerable. She (I can't bare to type her name) had previous children removed from her care, the bruises reported by family members, the past dv issues, the comments little Arthur made about being afraid his Dad would kill him. All these put together should have meant he was at risk of harm and action taken. We are told in our training that failure to follow Safeguarding rules, including the reporting of suspicions, can result in convictions and jail. It is really time to for this to happen in this case as terrible terrible consequences due to these rules not being followed. Rest peacefully Arthur and I am truly sorry you were not cherished and protected.

The paternal grandmother (who doesn't seem to admit any evilness of her pressure-pointer of a son) said "I have also listened to barbed comments by a witness that the death of Arthur did not affect him, which is sickening and abhorrent." Who is this?

She got 29 years for murder.
He got 21 for manslaughter..
Can't bare to say their names.

@Jarstastic

The paternal grandmother (who doesn't seem to admit any evilness of her pressure-pointer of a son) said "I have also listened to barbed comments by a witness that the death of Arthur did not affect him, which is sickening and abhorrent." Who is this?

Yes I wondered this - I couldn't piece together who that could be

@Bluntness100

She had two of her own children in her care it was the two older removed, she’s four kids in total, and was pregnant when she murdered Arthur, although she then aborted, so Inc Arthur there were three kids living in the house.

She also got pregnant to Hughes a couple of times before the latest pregnancy but miscarried. The final pregnancy stuck but she terminated while on remand.

Let's not forget the surviving children's trauma. Imagine the headfuck seeing your otherwise loving mother torture a child in your home. How fucked up that would make you?

I'm a bit at Hughes' mother. Sounds like she lays all the blame at ET's feet when in reality her darling son was an abusive partner, an abusive dad and a bit of an all round shit before ET was even on the scene.

Her grandson told people a year before his death that his dad would kill him. Why didn't she believe Arthur when he said that when she knew him to be truthful when he told her ET was abusive?

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/R-v-Tustin-and-Hughes-sentencing-031221-2.pdf

Full sentencing remarks.

A huge increase in funding for SS would be one way to help prevent cases like this. Every social worker well trained and well supported with a manageable case load and the time to to all that liaising and communicating that's always missing in cases like these. Nothing draconian about

I'd also favour greater powers (and support) for social workers to enter homes and view children and for doctors to be able to examine them when there is evidence of physical harm (as in this case) but that does mean more intrusion into family life.

"I hate my stepchildren
"I don't love my stepchildren like I love my own kids"
"I don't want my stepchildren in my house"
"I really dislike my SC"
"I hate it when my SC are around

That doesn't mean they'd systematically abuse, neglect and murder them! I don't like rabbits but my DC own one. I'm not about to go abuse it for months on end and kill it!! Ever. Because most decent people can live with something they dislike without causing it harm!

But.... I also agree with PP that hating children should be seen as a hate crime. You don't get away with saying you hate a different race/gender, why should you get away with saying you hate children? Why are they seen as lesser beings? That IS something I've witnessed on here and I bloody hate it.

29 years is pathetic.
I hope that the evil bitch gets an awful time of it every single day. She probably won't though :(

I think it's completely different to racism. No one group of adults unanimously behaves a certain way (though many people openly dislike certain groups, like Brits on holiday, Conservatives, anti-vaxxers, and no-one's crying out about discrimination towards them)

However children do behave more unanimously in certain ways, they cannot control their impulses easily, they are often loud, demand a lot of attention. I'm fully aware it's because their brains are developing and they are vulnerable but you can't force people to enjoy those behaviours or want to surround themselves with them. I enjoy some children's company more than others but always prefer the company of adults, or no company at all. It's absolutely bizarre to conflate that with a sadistic murderer and imply it's some sort of sliding scale. I agree with a PP it's also insulting to people who choose to be child-free, saying there's something wrong with them. The blame for this lies with ET, not with people who find parenting hard or get annoyed at kids in supermarkets.

@Santaischeckinglists

She got 29 years for murder. He got 21 for manslaughter.. Can't bare to say their names.

To add - she has a MINIMUM of 29 years. So no parole before then.

At least they got long sentences I am actually quite pleased with the sentences.

Drinkingallthewine I agree

@Jarstastic

The paternal grandmother (who doesn't seem to admit any evilness of her pressure-pointer of a son) said "I have also listened to barbed comments by a witness that the death of Arthur did not affect him, which is sickening and abhorrent." Who is this?

The video of them both released yesterday does not show a man in distress. He appears very agitated. He also agreed to take responsibility in the police van (which I'm sure was deliberate on the part of the police).

[quote AndreaC67]@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

A rich western country like the UK should be able to afford both, it shouldn't be one or the other.

Unfortunately, it has become that we do not care for either.[/quote]
You're absolutely right. Unfortunately the 'rich' only make up a small percentage of this country with 4.3 million children living in poverty in 2019/2020.

Let's not forget the surviving children's trauma. Imagine the headfuck seeing your otherwise loving mother torture a child in your home. How fucked up that would make you?

You can’t honestly believe she was otherwise loving to her two children?

Oh I doubt it will be a cake walk. Her mental health is apparently bad and theres very little support for that in prison (even less than outside hard though that is to believe) so plenty of opportunities for her to be absolutely miserable.

@vickyp0llard

I think it's completely different to racism. No one group of adults unanimously behaves a certain way (though many people openly dislike certain groups, like Brits on holiday, Conservatives, anti-vaxxers, and no-one's crying out about discrimination towards them)

However children do behave more unanimously in certain ways, they cannot control their impulses easily, they are often loud, demand a lot of attention. I'm fully aware it's because their brains are developing and they are vulnerable but you can't force people to enjoy those behaviours or want to surround themselves with them. I enjoy some children's company more than others but always prefer the company of adults, or no company at all. It's absolutely bizarre to conflate that with a sadistic murderer and imply it's some sort of sliding scale. I agree with a PP it's also insulting to people who choose to be child-free, saying there's something wrong with them. The blame for this lies with ET, not with people who find parenting hard or get annoyed at kids in supermarkets.

Why would people get annoyed at kids in supermarkets? This I don't understand. It's all about society and how it treats children. And that is pretty indicative of what is wrong.

It pissed me off she was allowed to stay away from the sentencing. That statement from his mum would have been written with the thought that ET would actually hear it and she didn't.

Let's not forget the surviving children's trauma. Imagine the headfuck seeing your otherwise loving mother torture a child in your home. How fucked up that would make you?

OTHERWISE LOVING MOTHER?! What about this woman strikes you as being 'loving' in any way shape or form, even to her own DC? 2 of which were taken from her permanently?!