Emma Tustin is a murderer

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Finally. We can say it.

I've just utterly broken down for Arthur.

@RainySnows99

Mustafa please stop referring to it as Emma .She isn't worthy of such familiarity - she is a degraded low life heartless cow who committed murder .

Oh come on!

Some of what she says is about him and I do realise that this is an impact statement so should be about how she feels and what she has lost but I do think the bedtime story thing as a bit ironic given she would be in prison until he was almost 18

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

e.g. one child had an metal framed bed, few toys and hardly any books and was expected to behave like children of olden days re behaviour.

What’s wrong with a metal framed bed? I have a metal framed bed, my son has a metal framed bed. It has footballs on it. He picked it.

I'm assuming she means just the metal framed bed - no mattress or duvet etc.

@Newpuppymummy

Some of what she says is about him and I do realise that this is an impact statement so should be about how she feels and what she has lost but I do think the bedtime story thing as a bit ironic given she would be in prison until he was almost 18

Maybe she could read him bedtime stories occasionally via video link? I have literally no idea how much contact people in prison have with their children in all honesty.

@IknowwhatIneed

And what's changed to protect vulnerable children since their 'lessons will be learned' spiel back then? Nothing.

What has happened is a systematic defunding of health, education, police and social work services. A reduction in community supports, an increase in the gap between have and have nots, endemic poverty, increase in levels of risk held by each of these professions. All the systems in the world won’t change anything if professionals involved in every aspect of child protection are stretched to breaking point.

I noticed on my council tax bill there's a fair chunk for 'adult social care.' How about we change that to social care for children, or more funding for SS and children's homes. I'd be far happier paying for that than social care for adults.

A PP asked why people were shocked by this case saying that she and many others she knew had been abused. Well I am very well aware that abuse like this takes place and I suppose in a way it isn't surprising. I was at my close friend's house aged 14 when her very middle class and respectable father dragged her by her hair, put her head on the stair and then sat on her head. However reading the details of this case, seeing the photos of his sweet face, imagining the different scenarios - yes it is shocking, it's deeply unsettling, very upsetting. It makes me feel physically sick. We're allowed to feel this revulsion and horror even when we're aware that these things happen.

@Newpuppymummy

His actual mothers statement is interesting. She seems to be portraying herself as mother of the year.., I’ll never get to read him a bedtime story again. Well she’s in prison for 12 years for murder so presumably he would’ve been too old for bedtime stories by the time she got out.

It’s absolutely not her fault what happened to her son but given she is in prison for murder and was addicted to drugs and alcohol, he witnessed severe domestic abuse in her care I don’t think she is the best placed to be portraying herself in this way.

She is indirectly responsible. However TH has been convicted of manslaughter - something his family seems to want to ignore judging by their statement.

Arthur asserted his dad would kill him before he met ET.

Also, another point. Many people on here on mumsnet say that they don't like children. It's a flippant term thrown around.

Should people be allowed to say that? You don't like ALL children? Why don't you like children? Because they are vulnerable and need your attention?
Isn't it a really offensive saying.
Isn't it like saying "I don't like all black people"?

We need to examine how we talk about children. Alot of abusive terms about children have seeped into our every day talk.

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"I don't like children"

You hear a lot of people saying it. I have heard a lot of women in my own life saying it. I've heard so many women saying that they don't like children and don't want to be around children.

I think that phrase should not be allowed for a start. Racism is not allowed. Dislike of children also should not be allowed.

inoticed on my council tax bill there's a fair chunk for 'adult social care.' How about we change that to social care for children, or more funding for SS and children's homes. I'd be far happier paying for that than social care for adults.

I agree social services for children need more funding and to be honest an overhaul, but what do you think adult social care covers out of interest?

She has to wait 29 years before she’s even considered for parole.

I hope they both serve every day of their sentence.

Still not long enough, but at least she knows she's in until she's a wizened old shrew (if she lives that long) 🤷🏼‍♀️

Just breaking,
he’s been given 21 years and she’s been given 29 years.

Life for both. Rot in Jail you scum.

I'm just saying that we often say on here that men say "not all men" when we try to tell them how women suffer. Because men don't want to see that they are all part of the problem.

But we need to try to get to see that ALL adults are a part of the current problem of abuse against children.

We need to stand up to other adults more.
We need to challenge other adults when they say bad things about children

We need to look at our own use of words and not say things like "I don't like children'. To see that is not an acceptable thing to say.

It takes a bigger person to look at themselves. I will be improving myself aswell

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange
Some of those vulnerable adults requiring funding were once vulnerable children.
At what age does the care stop?
Children’s homes are very expensive and a lot of the children in them are failed.
More funding should go into attracting and retaining foster carers.

Thanks Bagelsandbrie .Good to know it may mean life .

@LizBennet

Still not long enough, but at least she knows she's in until she's a wizened old shrew (if she lives that long) 🤷🏼‍♀️

Is 60 years old a "wizened old shrew" now?

@Mufasa1118

"I don't like children"

You hear a lot of people saying it. I have heard a lot of women in my own life saying it. I've heard so many women saying that they don't like children and don't want to be around children.

I think that phrase should not be allowed for a start. Racism is not allowed. Dislike of children also should not be allowed.

Yeah, I don't want children is fine

I hate children... how can you make a blanket statement. Tbh, like you said, if you can hate all children, why not all people of X race or Y religion?

I don't even get hating kids. They're not all the same, and they can't help how they act a lot of the time.

Hating kids doesn't make anyone cool or mature, it makes you look cold especially to parents.

People saying they've been on here for 12 years and have never seen bad threads. Are you serious.

I have also been on here for about ten years and I remember many many bad threads about children.

Use the search button.
I just searched "stepchildren" on mumsnet and immediately loads of threads came up saying

"I hate my stepchildren "
"I don't love my stepchildren like I love my own kids"
"I don't want my stepchildren in my house"
"I really dislike my SC"
"I hate it when my SC are around

Use the search function. There are loads of bad threads on here

I don’t really understand why these people are given concurrent sentences. What is the point?

@RainySnows99

Thanks Bagelsandbrie .Good to know it may mean life .

It is a life sentence. The custodial part of which is a minimum of 29 years.

I must admit the sentencing seems rather lenient, unlike most people i don't wish her harm in prison, thats not what it is there for but they both should have got whole life tariffs, certainly she should have.

They will out late 50s early 60s, with plenty of life left to live.