Crossing the channel in boats

[MarshaBradyo]

Listening to radio re terrible situation on the water but also in camps in France

It all sounds very hard

What would you like to see happen?

@endofthelinefinally

There was no processing of any sort being done in the camp DS worked in. Those people were treated worse than animals. Shoved behind barbed wire and left in the freezing mud and rain, guarded by young, very poorly paid conscripts.

So where is the uproar about this?

Perhaps other countries need to raise their game then and provide similar to what the uk provides.

There should be a basic duty of care. They obviously don’t have human rights lawyers in these countries like ours in the uk.

Spare a thought for places like Lebanon who are trying to manage with 1.5 million refugees.

Or Bangladesh trying cope with a million Royingha (they are more overcrowded than we are).

Typically, most refugees stay in neighbouring countries close to home. If England became a hellhole, I would more likely apply for asylum in Ireland or Scotland than (for example) Thailand.

At the same time, you have places like South Korea and Spain panicking about their birthrates and population decline. You could not make it up.

@Ellen888

Retention is a big problem in the nhs. I don’t think the pay and working conditions help.

Many newly qualified medics go to New Zealand or Australia.

I must be missing something here. Was the idea of Brexit that France would take control of the UK border?

Sky - "I must be missing something here. Was the idea of Brexit that France would take control of the UK border?"

No. the idea of Brexit was that the UK would take back control of it's own borders

@Newnameneededxx

“I don't know where you live but in London the NHS would be a ghost town of nothingness without immigration. I've never had a GP in the UK once with a British accent. And that goes double for nurses, porters, consultants, the public transport that gets people to hospital. “

You’re confusing controlled legal immigration which is essential. It is not the same at all.

So no former refugees or asylum seekers work in the NHS?

You learn something new and false every day.

"So where is the uproar about this?"

Nobody cares.

@Ellen888

Just to debunk a few myths ‘Nasty UK policy prevents us helping the vulnerable around the world‘ On the contrary, in 2017 and 2018 the UK resettled more refugees from outside Europe than any other EU member state. In total, the UK offered protection – in the form of asylum, humanitarian protection, alternative forms of leave and resettlement – to just under 19,500 people in the year ending September 2019 (up 28% compared with the previous year). This was the highest number of people granted protection in the UK in a single year since the year ending September 2003 (HO visa statistics).

Per capita? Because we have the second largest population.

What really shocked me about this tragedy was that within a couple of hours of the sinking the French authorities had arrested 4 people smugglers whom they believed to be at least partially responsible. That means that the French authorities know who these hideous people are but can't be bothered to arrest them. That it took such a tragedy to get the French to act is an utterly damning indictment of their laisseq faire approach to this problem.

The myths debunked here. One attached. The boat refugees are much more newsworthy, and hide the fact that asylum seeker migration is actually DOWN this year

www.instagram.com/p/CWsl3_DIXW2/?utm_medium=copy_link

@Tal45

I would like to see the countries they originate from made safe so they don't have to leave their home. Far easier said than done I know.

I hold similar views. Seems unreachable though

@LiterallyKnowsBest

What if they’re astronomers or artists or historians?

Leave them to torture or starvation?

Obviously I'd rather no one was left to torture or starvation. What I'm trying to point out is that we have several industries in desperate need of people (both skilled and unskilled) to keep the country running, and yet plenty of people are clamouring on social media to turn the boats back in case they come to apply for benefits and get given a house.

I don't believe refugees are all coming here for a free ride. I think lots of them could make a valuable contribution to the country if we put systems in place to help them achieve that.

It is horrible. The man stacking shelves in the stores at the hospital I worked in was a qualified dentist. He was trying to save enough money to redo all his professional qualifications. We had qualified doctors working as phlebotomists. I know they just can't walk into jobs, but we could give them a bit more help IMO.

@SerendipityJane

If the UK bought asylum seekers into the UK for free, the trafficking market would collapse overnight.

Well done, you win the award for the stupidest post I’ve ever seen on Mumsnet.

Saraclara - what is the source of that info?

And even if asylum seeker migration is down, there is a backlog of 37,000 claims still waiting to be processed.

These people need to be fed, housed and clothed until this is done. They also get access to NHS services.

That is the equivalent to the population of Bury St Edmunds.

"Home Office statistics released today reveal that asylum applications are now at their highest level since 2004.

More than 37,000 for main claimants alone.

See link:
gov.uk
Immigration statistics, year ending September 2021
Quarterly and annual statistics relating to those: coming to the UK, extending their stay, gaining citizenship, applying for asylum, "

@ohfook

I'd like people in the U.K. to be properly educated on the historic role the U.K. has played in making these places unsafe that people are trying to escape from and it like people to understand that we really don't take that many when compared to other countries. Lebanon for example is buckling under the strain of all of their refugees. I'd like people to understand that as a direct result of colonial rule, the people who are coming to the U.K. are probably doing so because they were made to learn the language at school which is one of the reasons they'll be choosing to migrate to the U.K. I think increasing peoples understanding may hopefully lead them to have more compassion.

I wish people could see that in 1938-39 we took in (for a price) Jewish children but very few Jewish adults because the rhetoric was the same then as it is now - what if they steal our jobs, what if there's a bad egg amongst the adults coming across. Think how many more lives could've been saved had public opinion been different.

If I were responsible for this I'd impose very strict jail terms on the scum profiting of other's desperation. Life sentences for people traffickers with no parole. I'd also work to make life much easier and improve conditions for the migrants. I'd maybe look at the model for the hoards of British people migrating to Spain, that seems relatively painless for them so if see how they are processed and try and copy it.

The rags published exactly the same jingoistic rhetoric over 120 years ago when Jewish people were fleeing Pogrom in Eastern Europe and Russia. Exactly the same.

@Ellen888

Saraclara - what is the source of that info?

And even if asylum seeker migration is down, there is a backlog of 37,000 claims still waiting to be processed.

These people need to be fed, housed and clothed until this is done. They also get access to NHS services.

That is the equivalent to the population of Bury St Edmunds.

"Home Office statistics released today reveal that asylum applications are now at their highest level since 2004.

More than 37,000 for main claimants alone.

See link:
gov.uk
Immigration statistics, year ending September 2021
Quarterly and annual statistics relating to those: coming to the UK, extending their stay, gaining citizenship, applying for asylum, "

This process definitely needs to speed up.

Also people should be held somewhere secure while it happens as at the moment it is too easy to disappear into the black market.

Those who are eligible should be supported to find work. Those who aren’t should be deported quickly. It’s shocking how few who are ineligible are deported and many are here years later including the Liverpool bomber.

I would like to see 'refugee hubs' set up all other the world, but specifically in adjacent countries to major countries of origin (if not safe to have in the country's). I'd then change the system so that people can present to any hub and be processed there and safely transported to their destination country.

I'd make every country sign up to take a certain number (or maybe %) of applicants per month, then have a universal application system, with agreed criteria, similar to what we use for school applications. So the individual would name 5 countries of preference, and be offered a place at the most preferred option that has space and they meet criteria for (there'd be priority groups like having family, or other ties that would be equivalent to beingin catchment or siblings at school etc) .

Once this was set up I'd remove any advantage of been in the country you want, so no matter where you are you are processed on the same system. This would remove the appeal of making dangerous journeys, so hopefully cut out the traffickers entirely. It would also make it fairer between countries. If everyone had to take their fair share, and poorer but close by countries won't left with bearing the brunt of the costs, while richer or better trained refugees move on to richer countries.

Sounds wonderful…but short of using armed force how do you “make every country sign up to take a certain number”..or enforce a policy such as “ everybody having to take their fair share.

@notimagain

Sounds wonderful…but short of using armed force how do you “make every country sign up to take a certain number”..or enforce a policy such as “ everybody having to take their fair share.

Yes it's unrealistic.

Look at countries like Poland. Poland values it's indigenous culture as something precious to be preserved.

We’ve been disinvited to conversation in France next week according to R4

Bit annoying to react rather than just meet

@MarshaBradyo

We’ve been disinvited to conversation in France next week according to R4

Bit annoying to react rather than just meet

Very true …maybe if the PM hadn’t decided to publish his demands…sorry, his list of items for discussion in the UK MSM before meetings had even started the invite wouldn’t have been pulled…

Quite why he felt the need to do so I cannot begin to understand………..(but remember it’s only Macron that is under pressure from the right )

I know feeling frustrated about that too. A closed door instead of working towards something

Annoying!

Not sure what next

Maybe if Johnson and co cared less about headlines and started taking things serious, they could begin to cooperate with EU countries in trying to find solutions.
You do not communicate by twitter.

Yes don’t do it by Twitter

And don’t just cancel in annoyance due to above would be my rules if I could have them