Crossing the channel in boats

[MarshaBradyo]

Listening to radio re terrible situation on the water but also in camps in France

It all sounds very hard

What would you like to see happen?

Are they all really asylum seekers though ? Surely quite a few of them will say that, but really they are economic migrants.

@BurnedToast

Are they all really asylum seekers though ? Surely quite a few of them will say that, but really they are economic migrants.

According to the Home Office figures over 90% claim asylum upon arrival and of those 75% are eventually granted asylum. The 'economic migrants' narrative is another tory lie.

@Ellen888

Fat Cat,

That's horseradish.

To stay in the UK as a refugee you must be unable to live safely in any part of your own country because you fear persecution there.

When your claim might not be considered
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.

That;s not what international law says.

Toast,
"Are they all really asylum seekers though ? Surely quite a few of them will say that, but really they are economic migrants."

Exactly.

The problem is we don't know who they are. Or where they have come from. We block travel from 'red' countries because of Covid yet somehow we allow people of unknown origin to land on the beach at Hastings.

Very scary...

FatCat,
OK what does it say?

@Ellen888

Fat Cat,

That's horseradish.

To stay in the UK as a refugee you must be unable to live safely in any part of your own country because you fear persecution there.

When your claim might not be considered
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.

Where is this from Ellen?

Is it a gov site

Fat Cat,
"According to the Home Office figures over 90% claim asylum upon arrival and of those 75% are eventually granted asylum. The 'economic migrants' narrative is another tory lie."

Please show me the figures

Marsha
Yes a gvt site

www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/eligibility

@Ellen888

Fat Cat, "According to the Home Office figures over 90% claim asylum upon arrival and of those 75% are eventually granted asylum. The 'economic migrants' narrative is another tory lie."

Please show me the figures

Lord Kerr gave them during a House of Lords debate the other day.

Fat Cat,

FYI Lord Kerr is a priveliged Scottish socialist europhile peer, a director of several companies including Scottish Power and Shell Transport & Trading. He has shown contempt for the British people and said in 2017: "In my view, immigration is the thing that keeps this country running. We native Brits are so bloody stupid that we need an injection of intelligent people, young people from outside who come in and wake us up from time to time." In response to the remarks, Peter Lilley MP (a Eurosceptic Conservative) walked out of the event, and said he had considered reporting the peer to the police for hate speech and being "racially abusive of the British people".

So excuse me if I don't want to set much store on what he says...

From Amnesty:

“There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country. Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive”

www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees

So I assume the U.K. gov site is what we follow?

Even though Amnesty info is different

Not sure how those two work

Or maybe not as obviously we do get people from safe countries seeking asylum.

And I assume it’s granted sometimes

It does use the word 'might'

And claims can only be considered when the claim has been made. Claiming asylum doesn't mean it will be granted.

More info -

www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/496/secure-the-uk-border-to-save-lives

What is the difference legally between an asylum seeker an a refugee

Obviously if the conditions are far more favourable in the UK they will want to come here.

Migration Watch UK

MigrationWatch UK is a British think-tank and campaign group which argues for lower immigration into the United Kingdom. Founded in 2001, the group believes that international migration places undue demand on limited resources and that the current level of immigration is not sustainable

Not very objective, are they?

@Malibuismysecrethome

What is the difference legally between an asylum seeker an a refugee

This site explains the difference

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/the-truth-about-asylum/

Thank you

@Malibuismysecrethome

What is the difference legally between an asylum seeker an a refugee

An asylum seeker is someone who claims to be a refugee and is therefore seeking asylum. All refugees were asylum seekers at some point but not all asylum seekers are refugees. That's what states have to assess and decide once a claim is made.

Mali
"What is the difference legally between an asylum seeker an a refugee"

As I understand it ;

1. A refugee is fleeing armed conflict or persecution
2. An asylum seeker is someone who claims to be a refugee but whose claim hasn't been evaluated.

Toffee,
"Not very objective, are they?"

Not sure what you mean?

@Ellen888

Toffee, "Not very objective, are they?"

Not sure what you mean?

Migration Watch UK are not a disinterested body but a think tank with a political position. It's not just 'info' they provide, in the neutral sense.

Sorry I know I will be pilloried for saying this but anyone arriving in this way should be sent back to the EU the same day. That removes any incentive to come in the first place. Got to be cruel to be kind!