Crossing the channel in boats

[MarshaBradyo]

Listening to radio re terrible situation on the water but also in camps in France

It all sounds very hard

What would you like to see happen?

@Snowballs1

I have heard of the french coastguard assisting a boat back to shore, too vague to know why or what actually happened, & not sure what if any lifeboat service they have, some countries only have commercial services, & no free to the user voluntary/charity provison like the RNLI. It makes it even more annoying seeing photos of french police ignoring boats being launched when you know they have plenty of legal grounds to stop them! I also heard of a boat being shot with rubber bullers to puncture it but several people were injured in the process, that is terrible & going from one extreme to the other. As a previous poster said, easy for police to puncture the boats, when they are able to find & get to them in time.

Try doing some research. Plenty of reports are readily available.

Of course France has an equivalent to the RNLI. It's called the SNSM. The mind boggles as to why you think they wouldn't!!!

And as for the person suggesting the police shoot at them. With all due respect that's horrific.

Just ran your idea past DP who is an elite shooter (because of his job) and he was speechless.

That's not any better, is it, @Frymetothemoon?
Just because idiots do it on holiday doesn't mean it's acceptable. Particularly for very desperate people in a dreadful situation. It's an absolutely dreadful practice which will result in continuing tragedies.

@DunkinToffee - thanks for that, it's heartbreaking looking at their faces, isn't it?

It is Maireas

National Crime Agency

@Newmum738

Think world leaders need to make a plan to deal with the humanitarian crisis instead of France and England talking about increased security. These people are desperate. I'm sure that more security will just increase the risks they are taking. It certainly will not reduce desperation.

This. There's no safe way for people to apply without setting foot on British soil and when they do, they can be languishing the in system for years. We need to deal with the backlog and get them settled, relocated or returned home (if they don't have a legitimate claim - most do) much sooner.

Climate change means we are going to see a LOT more people moving around the world and many of those will be refugees. We need a better system in place for dealing with it.

Horrifying
www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/fishermen-blocked-rnli-boat-rescuing-migrants/

@Maireas

That's not any better, is it, *@Frymetothemoon*? Just because idiots do it on holiday doesn't mean it's acceptable. Particularly for very desperate people in a dreadful situation. It's an absolutely dreadful practice which will result in continuing tragedies.

I don't see where I said it was.

[quote DuncinToffee]Horrifying
www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/fishermen-blocked-rnli-boat-rescuing-migrants/[/quote]
Utterly disgusting!!!

@ohfook

I'd like people in the U.K. to be properly educated on the historic role the U.K. has played in making these places unsafe that people are trying to escape from and it like people to understand that we really don't take that many when compared to other countries. Lebanon for example is buckling under the strain of all of their refugees. I'd like people to understand that as a direct result of colonial rule, the people who are coming to the U.K. are probably doing so because they were made to learn the language at school which is one of the reasons they'll be choosing to migrate to the U.K. I think increasing peoples understanding may hopefully lead them to have more compassion.

I wish people could see that in 1938-39 we took in (for a price) Jewish children but very few Jewish adults because the rhetoric was the same then as it is now - what if they steal our jobs, what if there's a bad egg amongst the adults coming across. Think how many more lives could've been saved had public opinion been different.

If I were responsible for this I'd impose very strict jail terms on the scum profiting of other's desperation. Life sentences for people traffickers with no parole. I'd also work to make life much easier and improve conditions for the migrants. I'd maybe look at the model for the hoards of British people migrating to Spain, that seems relatively painless for them so if see how they are processed and try and copy it.

"Lebanon buckling under the strain of their refugees." We must be sure not to get in that state.When climate change really starts to bite, there will be hordes of people on the move - every country in Europec will be a target for migrants . As for comparing BRitish OAPs going to Spain to migrants making illegal entry, don't be ridiculous.

So much anti French animosity on here

Do they French have the equivalent to the RNLI?!

No, they're just sat there in a beret, eating crossants

@immersivereader

So much anti French animosity on here Do they French have the equivalent to the RNLI?!

No, they're just sat there in a beret, eating crossants

If it was just a question not some negative comment then I wouldn’t say it’s anti a country to ask if there is an equivalent of something.

Surely it’s east to say yes it is called.,,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59477011

France is ready for talks with the UK over a deal to tackle the migrant crisis, the interior minister said.
Gerald Darmanin said prime minister Jean Castex will write to Boris Johnson with proposals for a "balanced agreement" between the UK and the EU.

I do hope their balanced proposals include opening up a safe route into the UK.

FatCat,

"I do hope their balanced proposals include opening up a safe route into the UK"

There is already a safe route into UK - it's called 'Applying for Asylum'.

@Ellen888

FatCat,

"I do hope their balanced proposals include opening up a safe route into the UK"

There is already a safe route into UK - it's called 'Applying for Asylum'.

Except you can only apply once you're in the UK. They need to allow people to apply from outside of the UK. The French have previously agreed to having UK officials processing applications in Calais but the UK rejected the offer.

Fat Cat,
"They need to allow people to apply from outside of the UK."

Why?

Lebanon for example is buckling under the strain of all of their refugees. I'd like people to understand that as a direct result of colonial rule, the people who are coming to the U.K

If other countries are struggling due to an influx of people, I mean- you're not really selling the idea. I'm not sure what the solution is, mind.

Because most of them arrive by boat or lorry , they have to get here first to claim asylum and presumably they cant rock up on a plane or ferry.
Possibly because they have destroyed their papers, because some of them can afford the plane. fare I assume as they are paying the smugglers thousands.

onreeoh,
"I'd like people to understand that as a direct result of colonial rule, the people who are coming to the U.K"

Maybe , but people coming from India, Pakistan and Australia are doing so legally

Despite the headlines, these people are not illegal immigrants. They are refugees and asylum seekers who have the legal right to claim asylum in the UK, even when arriving by inflatable boats.

Well they are arriving illegally

@Malibuismysecrethome

Well they are arriving illegally

Not if they're seeking asylum they're not. What they are doing is legal under international law.

Fat Cat,

That's horseradish.

To stay in the UK as a refugee you must be unable to live safely in any part of your own country because you fear persecution there.

When your claim might not be considered
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.