Why are the Tories so great?!

[WildFlowerBees]

Answers such as 'there's no one better' or 'would you prefer Kier or Nigel' aren't answers.

I see no benefits at all to having the current government we have, all I see is a bunch of self serving elitist willy waving boys who care only about the wealthy.

How are they voted in over and over and why has no one else stepped up that has morals and can actually do something good?

*1850s

@politics4me

An example of why we voted for Brexit is in today's Times. The EU has agreed to the destruction of masks that are near their "Use Before Date" They refuse to send them to any poor countries that would distribute them in time because donating things would distort the trade. It ignores that many countries are too poor to buy on the open market. Not sure why a mask goes off after a given date!

Meanwhile our Tory government paid billions for PPE that was unusable in any case, and is now paying their crony business chums millions (£1 million per day!!!) to store it) goodlawproject.org/update/uniserve-profits-500-vip-contracts/

they call the Tory Party the Nasty Party.

Theresa May called them the Nasty Party. Not a Leftie in anyone's book.

Talking of Attlee - it's worth finding his 1945 Manifesto - it's far more radical and 'left' than people imagine, but it's most definitely what the people wanted at the time. Attlee himself, especially when put alongside Churchill, lacked charisma, but it didn't seem to matter then.

An example of why we voted for Brexit is in today's Times.
The EU has agreed to the destruction of masks that are near their "Use Before Date"

A strange example if I may say so. So someone voted for Brexit because they didn't like the way the EU would deal with PPE to use against a virus which only came into being three years later, and in China at that.

It was the same with vaccinations, but Brexiters are rather quiet on that one, because we squandered our lead, and England, under Johnson and chums, went and relaxed the rules too soon, allowing Covid to spread again.

Now if you think that allowing diseases to spread unchecked then this could be why people think the Tories are great.

‘Theresa May called them the Nasty Party. Not a Leftie in anyone's book.‘

Theresa May said ‘some people call us the Nasty Party’.

Theresa May said ‘some people call us the Nasty Party’.

Fine. From what I remember she didn't go on to say that this wasn't true - she was telling them to clean up their act.

@WildFlowerBees

I cannot understand why they just don't care about people less fortunate than themselves. They make it so obvious that they despise the deemed great unwashed.

I also cannot understand why there hasn't been another party formed by non elitist twats who can answer a question with an actual answer that's relevant to the question and answer it honestly.

I am so sick of only having two incompetent parties to choose from, neither of them actually care it's all lip service.

Our whole system of governance needs a massive shake up. No more over privileged Etonian bully boys who haven't got a clue.

The harder element of the Conservative Party and voters (Rees-Mog types, Daily Mail readers) see poverty as a choice, or at the least a result of choices. The unfortunate part of that thought process is that it is very easy to validate it as there are a lot of people who are where they are because they made and continue to make bad choices, of course many will be making good choices but unable to improve their situations, but that gets lost in the sea of others.

Starting a new party is difficult, it is very hard to gain traction let alone seats as our system favours big parties. The reality is that no one party apart from the Conservatives is capable of winning an election outright again, with the SNP now firmly in the grip of the SNP the electoral maths would require a swing to Labour in England and Wales that made Blair's win and swing look small, unless the electoral system is changed it will either be a Conservative government, or a Coalition of Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP.

or a Coalition of Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP.

I think it's forgotten that when Labour went and replaced the Liberal Party there had been major changes in the franchise. In 1918 all men over 21 were given the vote, and women over 30 with either their own or husband's property. In 1924 all over 21s got the vote. It's only then that the Labour Party began to make headway. The last Liberal Government ended in 1915.

Labour appears to do well, i.e. 1945 and 1997 when they have something clear to offer to the electorate, and usually after the Tories have got themselves mired in scandal.

@Peregrina

Theresa May said ‘some people call us the Nasty Party’.

Fine. From what I remember she didn't go on to say that this wasn't true - she was telling them to clean up their act.

She only said that because they were losing elections. Soon after Cameron turned to polish up their image.

Now the English Baby Boomers vote for them no matter what they do.

Now the English Baby Boomers vote for them no matter what they do.

Not this one, thankfully. I am at a loss to know why people vote for the current crop. A previous generation of Tories, who in the main did have integrity - then yes. Profumo back in the early1960s lied to the Commons and immediately resigned - not such behaviour now. Lie now, get away with it, lie next time.

In answer to your question, OP.

They're not.

The Conservatives are not 'all that'.

Although once upon a time, there wouldn't have been policy U-turns.

Johnson and the Cabinet are keeping a weather eye on public opinion and changing to suit.

Which suggests

A) There's probably more shit going down than we know about and if we did know about it, we'd be furious

B) They do seem to be making things up as they go along. Which is worrying.

@MrsColon

Cause none of the other parties are committed to safeguarding women and girls.

I hate a lot of their policies, but preserving the legal definition of sex is so, so important.

It's made a lot of women into single-issue voters.

Sorry to quote only you, Mrs Colon, as I know a few others have made the same point about only the Tories looking out for women’s rights. So this isn’t a dig at you.

But I genuinely don’t understand it. When the govt was recently asked to make misogyny a hate crime, their/Johnson’s response was along the lines of “if we did that, the police would spend all their time dealing with that, so we won’t”. Which to me is a) an acknowledgement of how prolific violence against women and girls actually is, at all levels, and b) a massive fuck you to women in the U.K. Not “we don’t think this is an issue” but “we know it is, but don’t really care about it, and we know it won’t affect our votes because our voters also don’t care”
Regardless of where you stand on the TWAW debate (and I’m not happy with Labours stance btw), women and girls in our society are significantly more at risk from cis men. The Tories have just openly and casually dismissed the issue with such a disrespectful statement, and I’m even less happy with that. I’m fucking furious, in fact.

Which minister was it who did not even know what misogyny is?

@jgw1

Which minister was it who did not even know what misogyny is?

Dominic Raab, he thought misogyny could be committed against both men and women.

Now they are making inroads into the red wall working class vote they are truly complacent and really don't care. They know that Brexit has assumed a huge totemic influence in british politics. Many people are uninterested in politics generally but obsessed with the dastardly EU and Brexit, for the first time they are on the winning side and they will literally excuse 'Boris' and his cabinet of anything because Boris got it done. Sadly the tories feel nothing but contempt for them, the fact that they know they can get away with corrupt and devious practices shows how little respect they have. You only have to look at the state of some post industrial red wall towns to know that 70 odd years of conservative rule have done nothing for them. And I say that as w/c northerner whose close relatives all worked down the pit.

With you on that @SheriffCallie - also note the tone used when women speak in the House of Commons - essentially told they are too emotional, have been told the "watch their tone" and the tendency to use she/her instead of names and titles

Presumably we can judge how the Prime Minister considers women, by how well he has treated his wives.

Because lots of people think they’re doing a pretty good job. Personally I am not so keen but I know a huge number of people who are reasonably happy with them

@Oneforthemoneytwo

Because lots of people think they’re doing a pretty good job. Personally I am not so keen but I know a huge number of people who are reasonably happy with them

Unless their policies were making you richer (therefore you'll vote for them) it's beyond baffling anyone could think they're doing a good job. Boris Johnson has been a disaster already and there'd have been a coup by now if it was Corbyn PM sabotaging the country the way he has.

The only justification you ever hear from Tory voters is to denigrate Labour That's fine, but I rarely hear a good word about the actual Tories, just "I didn't want Corbyn" or "I don't like Starmer" etc.

The only justification you ever hear from Tory voters is to denigrate Labour

Which are the bulk of posts on this thread. A handful are good constituency MPs - but no list of fantastic trade deals, or increased standards of living, or more money for the NHS or first class schools............

@Peregrina

The only justification you ever hear from Tory voters is to denigrate Labour

Which are the bulk of posts on this thread. A handful are good constituency MPs - but no list of fantastic trade deals, or increased standards of living, or more money for the NHS or first class schools............

Well we are getting 40 new hospitals, probably we can afford them thanks to Brexit. Some of them are even new hospitals.

Why why why can no politician ever answer a question with an actual answer? Just answer the bloody question none of this deflect and bluster rubbish. I wish all politicians had to live for a year as an average wage earner, no perks, no expenses. They are such a disgusting group of humans.

Poll ratings are clearly rubbish and clearly biased.

@User135644 perhaps so but there are people who think they’re doing a good job. Low interest rates, no massive tax increases, low unemployment, covid jabs. Whether they’re right or wrong they genuinely think that we are better off under a Tory government. I know a good number of people who have a lot of time for many of the government. I’m not arguing in their favour, I’m just saying that despite MN they like a Tory gov. Personally I but I’m pretty much the only person I know who doesn’t vote Tory

MN is an overwhelmingly tory supporting website. Every thread about how bad they are in government invariably descends into 'Labour are worse'. Every. Single. Time.

I'm not a Tory voter, and I think the current lot are terrible and morally dodgy, but Labour have fucked up their chances badly of late. Corbyn and antisemitism, hotly followed by not being able to define 'woman'.

MN was very left wing maybe 5 years ago. I still think it's pretty left, but maybe it's following the swings within the electorate. It would hardly be surprising if it did.