Why are the Tories so great?!

[WildFlowerBees]

Answers such as 'there's no one better' or 'would you prefer Kier or Nigel' aren't answers.

I see no benefits at all to having the current government we have, all I see is a bunch of self serving elitist willy waving boys who care only about the wealthy.

How are they voted in over and over and why has no one else stepped up that has morals and can actually do something good?

Red scare tactics work for enough people it seems.

There are two reasons for this:

1. Many people love subjugation - bowing to someone they consider a class above themselves (c.f. the adulation of the royal family).
2. Many people would rather everyone suffered than anyone have anything nice. (c.f the popularity of always talking about the war / rationing.).

It's a very peculiar national psyche that still bemuses me to this day.

He was the worst possible leader for the Labour Party.

Why? Because he had actual left wing policies? People had a once in a lifetime chance to make a seismic change to politics in this country by voting Corbyn - and they didn’t take it. So here we are.

@Iggly

Well I wonder what the government would look like if we didn’t have a first past the post system.

A lot of people feel disenfranchised because they’re in a “safe” seat and only have two choices effectively.

I would much prefer a system that most other countries have - where we end up with a greater spectrum of parties in government.

This. I would also like a written constitution to stop the Government of the day stop playing silly buggers with Parliamentary rules.

But then, I also want a unicorn, an ice cream with sprinkles and a sensible relationship with the EU. I think only one of those is a achievable at the moment.

@Theunamedcat

Because we don't have compulsory voting (with a none of the above box)

Because we don't have a credible opposition

Because people prefer to spoil there ballots

Because they have always voted that way why should they change

Because despite the fact that they don't really respect or protect women Labour/libdems/greens don't respect or protect women more

There's also an archaic and undemocratic electoral system which doesn't help. And very little incentive for whichever party is in power to change it.

A system where getting less than half of the votes cast will get you an 80 seat majority is broken.

The Tories don't need to convince anyone to vote for them. They just need to convince people to not vote for the other parties. It's an effective strategy.

Anyone else watch milliband in Parliament the other day and think.....gosh he sounds so much better competent clear if only they had the policies and this leader

Because they're bloody experts at hoodwinking, and unfortunately theres a lot of mugs that believe them.

This. I would also like a written constitution to stop the Government of the day stop playing silly buggers with Parliamentary rules.

I'll settle for them not slowly and quietly trying to take down all the things that are put in place to hold the executive to account.

The way they've managed to get people to focus on freedoms being at with temporary measures put in place to control a pandemic virus while chipping away at the likes of the electoral commission is going to make a great Alevel history essay at some point.

@x2boys

Because labour are still not understanding ,that being contemptuous to people who don't agree with them ,ain't going to win them around

Whereas the Tories in government are contemptuous of everyone who is not giving them money for their next holiday.

The Tories are so successful as they adapt they are not driven by ideology

Labour could learn from that

I don't anticipate a change in the next election unless a miracle happens. The government just doesn't seem to have a clue about how so many in our society are really struggling. After an awful couple of years when peoples incomes have been hugely effected they raise taxes, remove the universal credit uplift and generally say fuck you to the people who need help the most.

Someone somewhere must be able to do better?!

Of course anyone party can do better but Labour so often reverts to in party squabbling

And as for the LD well they can’t seem to pick the right leader at the right time

*another party

They value hard work and don't like benefit scroungers

Weirdly the Government includes the State pension as a benefit, bloody scrounging OAP's, shame on the lot of them

They're not great. But labour are just so awful with folk like Angela Raynor.

Jeremy Corbyn did step up but people preferred Boris because he has funny hair

That's not the case at all. Corby was terrible if you were Jewish or a woman, or just gave a shit about the treatment of either of those groups.

The current Tories are often venal, corrupt and incompetent yet I'm not sure Labour is better and I'm certain the Lib Dems are worse.

How can you say this when Labour have not been in power for 11 years?

There is always one party who aren't in power. Normally that party develops policies to show how they might govern, Labour seem to have forgotten that bit.

This thread is kind of depressing - most of the pro-Labour posts are saying a variation on "poor people are too thick to know who to vote for".

No bloody wonder Labour aren't getting in with attitudes like those.

(I'm a Labour Party member BTW - I'm attempting change from within, but am shocked at how far they've departed from working class ideals)

Someone somewhere must be able to do better?

I think you could make almost anyone who was a senior minister under Blair PM and they'd be better. I suspect that is true of a lot of the Thatcher and Major governments too. In the past even when ministers were arseholes they were rarely lightweights.

The problem is that all the talent has been purged on both sides during their respective party civil wars. The advantage the Tories have is that their civil war is over.

@Kljnmw3459

The Tories don't need to convince anyone to vote for them. They just need to convince people to not vote for the other parties. It's an effective strategy.

And the other parties make it so bloody easy for them.

Labour under Corbyn - what a shit-show that was. We had a lovely Labour candidate come and canvas us. And we said, No can do, mate, cannot stomach the antisemitism. And he said that all he could do was apologise, he'd heard that on so many local doorsteps.

And in the last few years both Labour and the LibDems have made it clear that they hold women in complete contempt. Shan't be voting for either of them next time around. A spoilt ballot is looking inevitable.

Corby was terrible if you were Jewish

People still believe this outright lie?

I don't think pro Labour voters are calling Tory voters stupid, far from it. Its more that people are asking you to question the media, especially when its election season.

I get a lot of people here have issues with trans rights, but I do think issues like better funding for education (I assume a lot of people are here because they have children) outweighs a smaller issue. Or are we happy to see education funding and access to healthcare go away, its about finding the more important issues that directly affect you and our loved ones.

This thread is kind of depressing - most of the pro-Labour posts are saying a variation on "poor people are too thick to know who to vote for

This is the underlying problem. Poor people voted for Brexit because (in many cases) it makes them richer even if the economy as a whole shrinks.

They are voting against Labour because it's being led by people who don't appear to give a shit about working class interests.

There is a group of competent, working class Tories from the North who are doing a much better job of redistributing wealth than Labour did in all the Blair/Brown years.

Because the Tories are the only party (other than maybe the Communist party?) that won't get rid of women's hard-won rights. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have reduced "woman" to an undefinable feeling in a man's brain. I won't let my DD grow up in a society where any man (predatory or not) just has to say they're a woman and can access women and girls' changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards, rape crisis centres, hospital wards and refuges. I also believe in science and that people dont magically change sex just because they say so.

@Yusanaim

There is a prime example above my last post - you can't give money to the nhs without making it somewhere first. That's the prob with the left - they believe in a magic money tree.

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