Can someone explain what my son saw?

[WitchesInTheWoods]

My DS (14) and his friends went for a walk deep in the woods yesterday. They came across four people standing in a circle with candles and markings on the ground. Two were dressed in all black, very smart, like priests. The other two were in normal clothes and were bleeding from their arms. My son said he saw them cut themselves, they were mumbling something inaudible while the two in all black held their arms in the air and chanted. When they realised they were being watched one of the people in black told the boys they were going to cut their heads off if they don’t leave. I know it’s true because one of the kids filmed it and I’ve watched it. Wtf!?

The figure wearing black and standing on the right hand side in the video appears to be wearing an old fashioned policeman's helmet.

@Ibelieveinghosts He has lost his phone for a week for filming people without their permission. As I said above, they had no idea what they were looking at until they got very close. It’s hardly something that I would throw in there when giving him the usual warnings when he’s going out with friends! ‘Don’t split up, keep your phones turned on, make sure you have your water bottle, if you come across a group of people in the woods don’t disturb them as they may be performing a sacred ritual’. Obviously now it’s a lesson learned, but it’s certainly not something that I thought I’d have to add to my list of things to teach my kids.

@TatianaBis

Some links re Qanon protests in the UK

www.wired.co.uk/article/qanon-uk

www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-54065470

Also a notorious anti-abortion activist and SRA conspiracy theorist Wilfred Wong was recently jailed for 17 years + 5 years on licence for conspiracy to kidnap a child and possession of a bladed article

He and his associates (who included a therapists claiming to be an expert in treating survivors of satanist cults) actually kidnapped a child from their foster mother. Wong held a knife to her throat to force her to let go of the child who Wong then bundled into a getaway car.

The conspirators shared a delusion that the child was a victim of satanic ritual abuse and that they were rescuing the child.

links

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anglesey-child-kidnap-gang-court-21719744

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/kidnap-plotter-wilfred-wong-claimed-21072303

Wong has also communicated his belief (shared by his fellow conspiracy theorist supporters) that the European Union is in fact..... drumroll.....

The Antichrist

Which is interesting given that these views were prevalent prior to and during the Brexit campaign.

Of course, it could not possibly be that batshit conspiracy theories about SRA could have influenced the Brexit vote.

For that to have happened you might imagine that there would have been a smear campaign agains the long dead politician who brought the UK into the common market, Edward Heath. A smear campaign in which he was accused of being a satanist paedophile. Which of course never happened..

Oh wait.....

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

This is a parenting forum populated largely by frazzled, middle class premenopausal women. We've been excitedly arguing about a second hand changing bag in a charity shop for several weeks now. The chances of any of us having insider knowledge of satanic forest rituals are quite slim, tbh.

Hahahaha brilliant

@Ibelieveinghosts they are curious kids who have been raised in a very different world to the world we grew up in. Filming odd/entertaining/interesting things in public is hardly unusual is it! I think there are many adults out there who might’ve done the same thing. He did something wrong and was punished for it. I have had a word with him about respecting people’s privacy and hopefully he will think twice before pulling out his phone next time.

The police are coming over at some point this afternoon when he is home from school.

@hoodathunkit

Do stop spamming OP’s thread and start your own. It’s a bunch of pratts in a wood.

Bloody hell OP, your poor son. That sounds absolutely frightening for an adult to come across let alone a teenager, and then to be threatened with his head cut off. Glad the police are taking it seriously.

Do stop spamming OP’s thread and start your own. It’s a bunch of pratts in a wood.

It may very well be a bunch of pratts in a wood

It may also be an SRA hoax. There are plenty of them doing the rounds and some are definitely politically motivated.

None of us know who the OP is or what their motives are.

If you can't post skeptical, anti-CT posts on a thread claming to be about satanists in hoods in a wood threatening to decapitate children where can you post them?

And for the PP who said they shouldn't have been filming, glad they did. There's a lot of untoward things that people can prove actually happened with the wonders of modern day technology and being able to record quickly.

George Floyd springs to mind.

@plumpuddisnice
I agree

I have reported an extremely serious assault on a child to the police only to be told later that I should have filmed it, The cops NFAd it and the poor child will have suffered more from the abuser because I reported but did not film the incident.

I would now always film any such incident just so the police have evidence.

If you can't post skeptical, anti-CT posts on a thread claming to be about satanists in hoods in a wood threatening to decapitate children where can you post them?

On a thread that is actually claiming to be about satanists in the wood? Which this one isn't if you read it more carefully.

Although they'd be fairly tiresome wherever they were tbh hence the suggestion of your own thread.

Are you seriously equating the racially motivated killing of a black man by a police officer with four people stood in the woods practicing their religion between the 4 of them before being interrupted. Just because you don’t understand this doesn’t mean it is untoward! Seriously, why would you even compare the two things?

None of us know what was or was not happening in the woods.

it could have been

performance art
a religious ceremony (involving blood - frankly concerning IMO)
an SRA hoax
kids mucking around
some kind of hazing / non-religious initiation (if so disturbing)

the threats to cut off the heads of kids are, if true, concerning

I'm saying coming across 4 people in the woods, 2 of whom cutting themselves, and then on being seen threatening children with murder is untoward.

I'm not sure how you can't see that as untoward. Each to their own I suppose.

Seriously, why would you even compare the two things? exactly. There's a huge difference between people minding their business and a racially motivated assault

performance art
a religious ceremony (involving blood - frankly concerning IMO)
an SRA hoax
kids mucking around
some kind of hazing / non-religious initiation (if so disturbing)
.
None of those things are actually illegal so they shouldn't be being filmed. They were just going about their business when a bunch of nosy teenagers started filming them. I'd be pissed off too. Wouldn't have threatened to harm them, but I'd be pissed off.

So you ask for evidence she provides it, you have nothing to argue back with so you tell her to stop spamming

I didn't ask for evidence if you read my posts.

@TatianaBis

A poster promoting SRA conspiracies popped up, as one might expect, fairly early in the thread.

Here's their post

JesterMcFester Sun 17-Oct-21 12:47:02
There is a huge movement of psychiatrists who are currently saying that satanic and ritual abuse does not happen within the UK.

These photographs are absolutely terrifying for all people who have been told that their experiences they were sharing did not happen.

Totally understand why you don't want to share the video - I hope the police have responded now.

If some deluded crank sees this thread as evidence of SRA then I reserve the right to question their narrative using a skeptical perspective and critical thinking.

This is especially important given that many children are in danger of kidnappings due to the activities of DRA promoters. It is not just Wilfred Wong et al, there are plenty of other cases of kidnappings and even murders due to deluded people believing in such things.

It feels important to me to always challenge these narratives as it is important to protect children from deluded maniacs. Obviously

If some deluded crank sees this thread as evidence of SRA then I reserve the right to question their narrative using a skeptical perspective and critical thinking.

Sure but actually you're just boring us all to death. Not ritually of course.

None of those things are actually illegal so they shouldn't be being filmed.

It is completely legal to film anyone in a wood or other public place.

It is also illegal to threaten people with violence.

If you want to engage in super secret rituals and do not want to be filmed then conduct your rituals in a private place.

Also, for the record, I think that blood letting rituals are creepy to put it mildly and possibly indiciative of an abusive cult. Not necessarily "satanists" but dodgy in the same way that websites that encourage people to self harm are dodgy.

If I saw a group of people covered in blood in the woods doing rituals I might try to film / photograph them and would definitely report it to the police if I thought abuses were happening or was unsure about whether or not they were.

Having said that there is a significant problem at the moment with SRA promoting grifters going out into the woods in an attempt to film "satanists doing rituals".

Some especially notorious ones have been grifting on gofund me and other similar websites begging for money for infrared goggles and cameras and other surveilance kit so they can "expose the satanists"

Some of these same activists are involved in advocating the kidnapping of children.

So this thread popping up here is highly relevant to my interests.

One thing I have been thinking about is that even after grifting thousands of pounds from gullible people the SRA promoters have never produced a shred of evidence of the satanic crimes they claim to be exposing. Then this thread appeared, which frankly is not evidence of anything at all but has been promoted as endorsing SRA CTs by at least one poster here. It is certainly an interesting coincidence

@Ibelieveinghosts

Threats of violence should always be reported. Likely outcome: the protagonists don't go threaten kids with violence again, and they do their rituals in their back garden for privacy. Job done.