Prince Andrew no surprise

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No surprise that the met have stopped. Their investigation into PA.

@LaetitiaASD yes you can have an opinion and even think he is guilty , but people on here are saying he has been treated differently when actually the law has been followed
The poilce and crown courts cannot go convicting people without proof , that is a fact like it or not

@SickAndTiredAgain again thats what I thought , goes to show how everyone can read something and have a different take on it, its why we have courts and consider evidence as opposed to what people just think

We can also say that it appears HIGHLY LIKELY that the best case scenario is that he is a very sleazy man with an unfortunate habit of hanging around with paedophiles and sex-traffickers.

As well as being a paedophile and sex trafficker, he was a prominent businessman. He will have had business and personal relationships with hundreds of people, many who would have attended events with him where girls and young women were present. Are you suggesting everyone knew what he was up to? Or just Prince Andrew? I mean, Stephen Hawking was named in court documents, was he up to no good?

Do you hold the same contempt for women who discover they are married to paedophiles?

He met her and lied about it and that needs to be explained. To suggest he was aware of what Epstein was doing has no basis in fact.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@LaetitiaASD yes you can have an opinion and even think he is guilty , but people on here are saying he has been treated differently when actually the law has been followed
The poilce and crown courts cannot go convicting people without proof , that is a fact like it or not[/quote]
OK, but the legal argument is not the same as the moral one. Nobody can seriously have faith in the criminal justice system at the moment, especially for a "royal".

The courts, the Met, the establishment and the queen will twist and interpret the rules as they choose, to protect one of their own. He'll probably get off and won't be convicted of anything and will stay protected in a huge mansion and be awarded a pointless platinum jubilee medal for being mummy's little superstar.

But only a loon would say that PA has done nothing wrong and would want there not to be any repercussions from all this. This is about people finally realising the extent of the corruption in the UK and Andrew's past catching up with him. Since leaving the Navy he's done far more damage than "just" sex trafficking. Cash for access, corrupt arms deals, misuse of public funds ... I'm bored of listing it all.

I just don't understand why so many posters are leaping to his defence. It's really depressing.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@CaveMum you must of seen a different photo to me [/quote]
This photo, the uncropped version. As Jim Clemente puts it in the podcast he is “t-boning” her, he has his hand around her waist and hers is around his - intimacy, not just two people.

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints what laws or cover ups have happened ?
There is no charges from the usa its thats simple

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints do you have evidence again for his other crimes as the met can only charge with this, people want him found guilty by law but how with no charges filed

I often think that one of the reasons that rape convictions are so low in this country is that even if a case gets to court (rare), juries are stuffed with loads of 'Well hang on ...' people coming up with excuses for why a young woman is to blame for a man's appalling behaviour.

That is definitely not true. The conviction rate for rape cases that get to court is currently around 70%. The widely quoted 6% figure is the proportion of reported rapes that result in a conviction for rape. The problem is cases that don't get to court, the main cause being complainants withdrawing.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@LaetitiaASD why have the usa not prosecuted him then ? If they evidence they would surely
They have made other prosecutions in the case so why not this one ? [/quote]
I'm fairly sure the FBI have named Andrew as a 'person of interest' (ie potential key witness), and are waiting to see what comes out at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial.

I don't think anyone knows just yet how much she's prepared to spill.

If I were the FBI, I'd be keeping my powder dry as well.

Yet by all accounts the stupid man thinks it'll all blow over soon, and he can become an Admiral and parade around again. It really does beggar belief that he and possibly also the Queen are in such denial over what might be called 'the look of the thing'.

Sorry @worriedatthemoment, not clear. How do you mean "what laws have happened"? He has to answer a civil suit in the US, unless the case gets thrown out at the end of October.

As for the cover-ups, just have a look on the RF threads on here, or spend 10 minutes googling Prince Andrew sex trafficking, arms dealing, Peter Nygard, cash for access, ... god I am so bored of listing.

His life is a cesspit.

@SpindleWhirl I guess we have to wait and see then , Im sure we don't know what the queen is thinking or not,
Many a parent has stood by their child she is no different in that respect, what do you expect her to do ? Until he is at least charged , maybe she is in denial , maybe she believes him, maybe she just doesn't know what to think
He will not perform royal duties again, Charles has wanted to slim down for ages and that version will not include him

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints what google on here and its all true , accusations are not proof is all I am saying
We all know the terms no smoke without fire etc , this won't just go away whatever happens
A civil suit is not a lawsuit , and looks like might not stand anyway which I am sure you know why

@BoredZelda

We can also say that it appears HIGHLY LIKELY that the best case scenario is that he is a very sleazy man with an unfortunate habit of hanging around with paedophiles and sex-traffickers.

As well as being a paedophile and sex trafficker, he was a prominent businessman. He will have had business and personal relationships with hundreds of people, many who would have attended events with him where girls and young women were present. Are you suggesting everyone knew what he was up to? Or just Prince Andrew? I mean, Stephen Hawking was named in court documents, was he up to no good?

Do you hold the same contempt for women who discover they are married to paedophiles?

He met her and lied about it and that needs to be explained. To suggest he was aware of what Epstein was doing has no basis in fact.

"He met her and lied about it and that needs to be explained."

We all know that legally it is "innocent until proven guilty".

Some people also take the view that if something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck. Other people - like you - seem to actively want to give him every single chance possible to explain his way out of something which as far as I am concerned is pretty disgusting even assuming no charges are ever brought, let alone convictions.

Also, I don't blame him one little bit for not going to the US to answer questions (which he could easily do voluntarily but chooses not to because he is prioritising his own interests above the interests of investigators)... but sorry, he has the right to refuse to go, but the flip-side is people like me have the right to judge him very harshly.

Many a parent has stood by their child she is no different in that respect, what do you expect her to do ?

To keep on guzzling the funding and lying for her middle son, then die in a couple of years so her eldest can carry on the glorious family tradition.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@ChurchofLatterDayPaints what google on here and its all true , accusations are not proof is all I am saying
We all know the terms no smoke without fire etc , this won't just go away whatever happens
A civil suit is not a lawsuit , and looks like might not stand anyway which I am sure you know why [/quote]
Make you mind up, accusations not proof or no smoke without fire - or ane both just pretty meaningly statements?

A civil suit is a civil lawsuit FFS,

Many a parent has stood by their child she is no different in that respect, what do you expect her to do ?

The Queen is different, though - she's the Head of State, Head of the Church of England, Defender of the Faith, Head of the Commonwealth, monarch of millions of loyal subjects, anointed and appointed by God, yada yada.

If she really expects her subjects to go along with the above belief system, then she has a responsibility to set an impeccable example. She can't have it both ways.

I am really disappointed in her lately. I know she's old, but she's either up for the job of being Head of State etc etc, or she's not.

And right now, it's not looking great.

@lnsufficientFuns

He’s disgusting The met are disgusting The queen is disgusting

I hate them all.
I hate this country.

Nurse! Need more meds!

@SpindleWhirl

Many a parent has stood by their child she is no different in that respect, what do you expect her to do ?

The Queen is different, though - she's the Head of State, Head of the Church of England, Defender of the Faith, Head of the Commonwealth, monarch of millions of loyal subjects, anointed and appointed by God, yada yada.

If she really expects her subjects to go along with the above belief system, then she has a responsibility to set an impeccable example. She can't have it both ways.

I am really disappointed in her lately. I know she's old, but she's either up for the job of being Head of State etc etc, or she's not.

And right now, it's not looking great.

The nation is divided on this, I think.

I think she's amazing. I don't think any less of her for her defence of her son - who may be innocent.

Pmsl Gloria, he/she so doesn't.

@julieca

Andrew is untouchable. Of course, nothing was going to happen. The RF are above the law. And I suspect they know it.

Princess Anne has a criminal record, her dog bit someone and she was found guilty in court.

Mumsnet seem to WANT him to have committed crimes. Nobody appears happy here unless the entire royal family as well as the Metropolitan Police, are being slagged off!! God forbid anyone who has a different view....

What a miserable life.

*The nation is divided on this, I think.

I think she's amazing. I don't think any less of her for her defence of her son - who may be innocent.*

Divided as on so many things. RF unifying force my a*se.

takingouttherubbish: There are a great many women who chose to trade youth and looks for wealth and privilege rather than going out and earning it for themselves

That is a disgusting comment when we are talking about a trafficked child. Fucking disgusting.

Amen.

Its a good job we dont have the guillotine, a lot of people here would be sitting at the bottom knitting